Hum, when I worked for Qwest we did a very similar study and field trial and came up with a lot less cost for Denver back nearly two years ago (2001) with equipment from Cisco. Even then we could not make the business case work because our DSL was less costly out of the CO to run to homes and businesses. Again when I was at Qwest I did a business case for a Qwest WiFi system built as an overlay to their remaining Qwest Public Telephones, that are a loosing business since wireless phones took off. Placing DSL to existing Telephone with a WiFi Unit built into the Telephone would make these Qwest WiFi hot spots as an add on feature to home DSL or Qwest Wireless phone contracts for less than $5.99 per month. This was not picked up on back in 2003 because the Business case was not profitable for 22 months, outside the required less then 12 months due to Qwest poor financial health at the time. There is already a company (www.implex.net) building out a WiFi or WiMax system in downtown Minneapolis and St. Paul as I read in an article last week in the Pioneer Press. http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/business/technology/10040849.htm I would have many questions regarding this proposals accuracy and business assumptions and if they considered checking with Implex.net or Stone Bridge Wireless as to their plans. Rob Sigmundik BroadbandWizards, LLC rsiggy at broadbandwizards.com -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org] On Behalf Of tcwug-list-request at tcwug.org Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:44 AM To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 14, Issue 3 Send tcwug-list mailing list submissions to tcwug-list at tcwug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tcwug-list-request at tcwug.org You can reach the person managing the list at tcwug-list-owner at tcwug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tcwug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Article: City Takes First Step Toward CitywideWirelessSystem (Neal Krasnoff) 2. Re: Article: City Takes First Step TowardCitywideWirelessSystem (Haudy Kazemi) 3. Re: Article: City Takes First Step Toward Citywide WirelessSystem (S. Earl Jarosh) 4. administravia: ora newsletter (3-nov, 2004) (steve ulrich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:25:54 -0600 From: "Neal Krasnoff" <nodeengineer at msn.com> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Article: City Takes First Step Toward CitywideWirelessSystem To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV7PzQT456UnH0000146a at hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >"representatives from government, business, citizens, and other > stakeholders" Like TCWUG? ;-) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:00:19 -0600 From: Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Article: City Takes First Step TowardCitywideWirelessSystem To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20041104160019.021700d8 at kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ---start copy/paste--- 'The system, which Chief Information Officer Carl Kaiser estimated would cost as much as $500 million, would be developed and managed by a private sector partner. The city would provide access to its fiber optic infrastructure, allow some 900 antennae to be mounted on telephone poles, and issue bonds to finance it. The wireless service would be made available to all residents through a tier-based pricing structure and offered free at access centers throughout the city, including libraries, kiosks, and fire stations. "The pricing model will be competitive," he said. The city would receive a portion of the profits generated by the system, which would be governed by a board consisting of representatives from government, business, citizens, and other stakeholders, Kaiser said.' ---end copy/paste--- Looks to me like this is a continuation of the previous pay-to-use access talked about in the past. Maybe they are trying to recreate Chaska.net in Minneapolis. I wonder how much they are thinking issuing in bonds...the whole $500 million? That pricetag is about the same as for some of the football stadium plans. http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/VikingsStadium.htm That board sounds like a rulemaking board for the system that would approve pricing structures and/or rate hikes for wireless services. I think Qwest has something like that with the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission. http://www.puc.state.mn.us -hk _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list