From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jan 4 11:34:08 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wanted: ne mpls overlay nerds - call to limbs redux ... Message-ID: <3372D002-3EDC-11D8-81B5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jan 5 12:37:53 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] wanted: ne mpls overlay nerds - call to limbs redux ... In-Reply-To: <3372D002-3EDC-11D8-81B5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> References: <3372D002-3EDC-11D8-81B5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040105183753.GI20630@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Jan 11 21:45:39 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday! Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 17:46:21 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] January meeting notes Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mymoof at yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 18:28:47 2004 From: mymoof at yahoo.com (Starfish Moonbeam) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] first time submission Message-ID: <20040116002847.601.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> hi y'all. i subscribed because i thought this was a list to post stuff about the best wireless services, upcoming innovations, and etc. So far not much posted in that regard. I moved here recently. None of the services I have seen in other metro areas exist here. Among them metro pcs and cricketphone.... is this really true? ... I guess that was my main question. thanks, starfish __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Thu Jan 15 22:08:17 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Test... 1st post in a LONG time Message-ID: Long time lurker, almost never poster here... I'm posting this message strictly as a test message. If I see this message in the list, I'll know that I've got things figured out and will soon be posting several messages with different topics. LP -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:06:09 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 4th Question: What's current status of 802.16 and 802.20? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:04:02 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 3rd Question: Multiple Zones on same hardware? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 13:58:43 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 0th Question: Intro to 6 following messages/questions Message-ID: TCWUG-ers: I have a number of different questions to post. Instead of loosing track of each one by placing them all under one message {and Subject line} I'm going to break them up into smaller pieces, thus different messages {and Subject lines <== plural}. If any of you have the free time to call me, I'd appreciate the opportunity to talk about them, as conversations seem to work better for me that the written word. My home phone is 612-721-7445. Here's a "Heads up" on some of the things I'm going to post and/or chat about: Meeting Date, MAC Addresses, Multiple Zones on same hardware, Now or Future?: {Status of: 802.11 v. 802.16 v. 802.20} Equipment Reviews and Is 35' tall antenna enough to do any good? Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) / Meeting idea for Feb. Thank you, Leif O. Pihl . -- -------------------- #### PLEASE NOTE!!! By way of my ISP, I subscribe to the "Postini" Spam filter. I have not (yet) had any problems in so called "false positives", where legitimate E-mail is identified as spam... but there could always be a first time! Thanks, LP ==================== _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:08:03 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:02:02 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:16 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 2nd Question: MAC Addresses Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:00:04 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:12:17 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) Message-ID: TCWUG-ers: As a part of composing the earlier six messages, and learning about the Loring Park project, I thought: Hey, why don't I propose this as a larger project to the Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board? So, I called them up, and found out that one of the Commissioners, the VP in fact, has already proposed this, a "RFP" has gone out, and two or three proposals have come in. "Netsurf.cc" and "Airwrx" have already put forward proposals, and "Nortel" is expected to before today's deadline. Unfortunately, so far as I know, * NOBODY at the MP&RB thought to consult with the TCWUG, and/or send us the RFP. * TODAY (Friday Jan 16th, 2004 at 4:00 pm) is the deadline for submitting a proposal. Hmmmmm... Sounds too late to me for us to get involved, at least on the DOING end of things. _BUT_ I understand that it MAY not be too late for us to get involved on the evaluation end of things. LETS SPEAK UP!!! I suggest inviting to our February 10th meeting: - Commissioner John Erwin of the MP&RB, - Mr. Bill Beck of the City of Minneapolis' IT Department and possibly - Mr. Don Siggelkow , Staff person for the MP&RB who is dealing with the RFP in question. - In my own case, I am represented by Commisioner Marie Hauzer of the 3rd District, so I'd like to personally invite her as well. >>> WHAT DO YOU SAY??? Should we invite these people to the meeting >>>so that we can exchange views, information, questions, etc... in >>>BOTH directions? leif@pihl.us -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leif at pihl.us Fri Jan 16 14:10:03 2004 From: leif at pihl.us (Leif Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 6th Question: Is 35 foot tall antenna enough? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 14:49:53 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TCWUG is not an entity in business terms, so it cannot respond legally. No Park & Rec Board person that did a basic check would be likely to respond because TCWUG, being a non-entity, cannot take any responsibility in the community. > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Leif Pihl > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:12 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP > (deadline, etc.) > > > TCWUG-ers: > > As a part of composing the earlier six messages, and learning about > the Loring Park project, I thought: Hey, why don't I propose this as > a larger project to the Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board? > > So, I called them up, and found out that one of the Commissioners, > the VP in fact, has already proposed this, a "RFP" has gone out, and > two or three proposals have come in. > "Netsurf.cc" and "Airwrx" have already put forward proposals, and > "Nortel" is expected to before today's deadline. > > > Unfortunately, so far as I know, > * NOBODY at the MP&RB thought to consult with the TCWUG, and/or send > us the RFP. > > * TODAY (Friday Jan 16th, 2004 at 4:00 pm) is the deadline for > submitting a proposal. > > > Hmmmmm... > > Sounds too late to me for us to get involved, at least on the DOING > end of things. > > > _BUT_ I understand that it MAY not be too late for us to get involved > on the evaluation end of things. LETS SPEAK UP!!! I suggest > inviting to our February 10th meeting: > - Commissioner John Erwin of the MP&RB, > - Mr. Bill Beck of the City of > Minneapolis' IT Department > and possibly > - Mr. Don Siggelkow , Staff person > for the MP&RB who is dealing with the RFP in question. > > - In my own case, I am represented by Commisioner Marie Hauzer > of the 3rd District, so I'd like to personally > invite her as well. > > >>> WHAT DO YOU SAY??? Should we invite these people to the meeting > >>>so that we can exchange views, information, questions, etc... in > >>>BOTH directions? > > > leif@pihl.us _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Jan 16 14:52:38 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 2nd Question: MAC Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yes ifconfig - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Leif Pihl wrote: > > * Do Wi-Fi (802.11x) cards have MAC Addresses? > > * If yes, how do I find what it is? > > > Thanks, leif@pihl.us > > -- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACE8YflzKmtpiQEMRAhsSAJ9sM7b4Ze+lfwq7DRAdlMovG/lQXgCgmL5Z SRptAzLFQp54XFEnzF5idtc= =+E+I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Jan 16 14:56:45 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 3rd Question: Multiple Zones on same hardware? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 all 802.11b WEP is worthless.. 40bit takes several hours to break, and 128bit only takes a few more than that. the only way to properly secure the DATA across a wireless network is to use an encrypting protocol, ssh, http+ssl, or ipsec. to prevent access to a wireless network, you must use 802.1x, or a "wirewall" they only AP's that I know of that support running more than one ESSID from one base station, is cisco's 1100/1200 gear. othwise, if you wanted to run two cheap AP's on the same antenna, this would work fine as long as they are split in terms of frequency, one on channel 1, the other on 11. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Leif Pihl wrote: > * Any problems so far with my interpretations? > > *** Is it possible to run _TWO_ "Zones" or networks on the same > pieces of base-station hardware? > - One with no WEP turned on, for public use, and > - One with HIGH WEP turned on, for private use? > > > > Leif@Pihl.us > > > -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFACFAPflzKmtpiQEMRAp6OAKCNrNPAYqsrmdxj36Y9XIsXQZFv0QCgmnXY e8y69jn9RtKeV7q9pHWJcAc= =tqFI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From adi at hexapodia.org Fri Jan 16 15:25:10 2004 From: adi at hexapodia.org (Andy Isaacson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 3rd Question: Multiple Zones on same hardware? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040116212510.GA28869@hexapodia.org> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:56:45PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: > all 802.11b WEP is worthless.. 40bit takes several hours to break, and > 128bit only takes a few more than that. I'm under the impression that if you have sufficiently intelligent firmware on the base station and client cards, they can avoid using the "weak" WEP keys, which prevents the airsnort-style attack from working. I don't know how secure WEP such a "careful WEP" is. Clearly a more carefully-thought-out system such as IPSec is more likely to be secure. -andy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 15:30:56 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 2nd Question: MAC Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Leif Pihl wrote: > * Do Wi-Fi (802.11x) cards have MAC Addresses? You bet. > * If yes, how do I find what it is? Should be available in the interface properties of whatever OS you run. In Linux, ifconfig will tell you what it is. Otherwise, it's normally on a sticker on the card. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Fri Jan 16 15:27:41 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 2nd Question: MAC Addresses Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C910C@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Most wireless devices that I have seen will actually have the MAC stickered on. For access points you can find the MAC in the administration software. I'm pretty sure most access points will let you change the MAC in the access point administration software. ________________________________ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 2nd Question: MAC Addresses A friend of mine has set up a Debian Linux Firewall with three sub-networks (and RJ-45 Ethernet cards) for our house. One of these is dedicated JUST for a Wireless Network. I know that Ethernet (RJ-45) cards use what are called "MAC Addresses", as I had to look them up. (Each computer on the network had to have its MAC Address added to a list inside one or more of the Firewall's files.) * Do Wi-Fi (802.11x) cards have MAC Addresses? * If yes, how do I find what it is? Thanks, leif@pihl.us -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe a weekend day would be good. It would allow for possible field trips and such. Andrew. ________________________________ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different The TCWUG's regular meeting _day_ (as opposed to _date_) is the SECOND TUESDAY of each month. When I'm on top of things enough to think of attending a meeting, I attend a different meeting on the SECOND TUESDAY of each month, and thus have not attended the TCWUG meeting in over a year. For those of you who already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be WORST for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to STOP attending? For those of you who do not already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be BETTER for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to START attending? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7FCEC5F9-486F-11D8-AC3F-000A959F1488@mac.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Fri Jan 16 16:17:29 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:18 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C910F@cilantro.AZimmer.local> I believe we did contact the Park Board. If I remember right, they were not interested in working with us. We will still move on the Loring park wireless project and what ever projects the group wants to work on. Andrew. ________________________________ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) TCWUG-ers: As a part of composing the earlier six messages, and learning about the Loring Park project, I thought: Hey, why don't I propose this as a larger project to the Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board? So, I called them up, and found out that one of the Commissioners, the VP in fact, has already proposed this, a "RFP" has gone out, and two or three proposals have come in. "Netsurf.cc" and "Airwrx" have already put forward proposals, and "Nortel" is expected to before today's deadline. Unfortunately, so far as I know, * NOBODY at the MP&RB thought to consult with the TCWUG, and/or send us the RFP. * TODAY (Friday Jan 16th, 2004 at 4:00 pm) is the deadline for submitting a proposal. Hmmmmm... Sounds too late to me for us to get involved, at least on the DOING end of things. _BUT_ I understand that it MAY not be too late for us to get involved on the evaluation end of things. LETS SPEAK UP!!! I suggest inviting to our February 10th meeting: - Commissioner John Erwin of the MP&RB, - Mr. Bill Beck of the City of Minneapolis' IT Department and possibly - Mr. Don Siggelkow , Staff person for the MP&RB who is dealing with the RFP in question. - In my own case, I am represented by Commisioner Marie Hauzer of the 3rd District, so I'd like to personally invite her as well. >>> WHAT DO YOU SAY??? Should we invite these people to the meeting >>>so that we can exchange views, information, questions, etc... in >>>BOTH directions? leif@pihl.us -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C9111@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Seattle wireless has done up a pretty good document on various cards and access points. http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison Andrew. ________________________________ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also purchased a 802.11b card for it. What we do not have is a base station to plug into our LAN. If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of "Consumer Reports" magazine. I'm sorry, but I just don't think that they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi. So... - In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) should I go to for _UNBIASED_ Wi-Fi equipment reviews? 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What we do not have is a base station to plug > into our LAN.? If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to > the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of > "Consumer Reports" magazine.? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that > they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi.? So... > > ?-? In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) > ?? should I go to for? _UNBIASED_? Wi-Fi equipment reviews? Buy it and see how you like it. Everything else is someone's personal opinion, which will always be biased. I personally like the Cisco gear (expensive), Apple's AirPort base station (good admin tools if you use Mac OS X, Windows something or other, and there is a Java program that will let other OSes config the base station). Linksys and Netgear seem to of made some decent stuff as well. Buy it, and if you don't like it, return it. cheers! Ted -- Ted Rattei tedr@rattei.org 612-201-2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Sat Jan 17 00:30:02 2004 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different In-Reply-To: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C910D@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Message-ID: <006401c3dcc3$878b4290$6601a8c0@stratlap2> I myself have never been able to make a TCWUG meeting as it conflicts with another meeting of an organization I'm on the board of. So I'd very much like a change of date, as I'd really like to attend. My observation is that most Twin Cities groups that meet on the nth day do so on the first or second occurrence in the month. So how about the third Tuesday or even the fourth Tuesday? (I do attend a fourth Monday event ;=}) Thanks. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Zimmer [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Zimmer Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:59 PM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: RE: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different I've make Tuesday work for me but I'm game to change days. Maybe a weekend day would be good. It would allow for possible field trips and such. Andrew. _____ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different The TCWUG's regular meeting _day_ (as opposed to _date_) is the SECOND TUESDAY of each month. When I'm on top of things enough to think of attending a meeting, I attend a different meeting on the SECOND TUESDAY of each month, and thus have not attended the TCWUG meeting in over a year. For those of you who already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be WORST for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to STOP attending? For those of you who do not already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be BETTER for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to START attending? Thanks, leif@pihl.us -- -------------------- #### PLEASE NOTE!!! By way of my ISP, I subscribe to the "Postini" Spam filter. 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That's not in line with how TCWUG or other WUGs (eg Seattlewireless.net) tend to be operating. At 04:17 PM 1/16/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I believe we did contact the Park Board. If I remember right, they were not interested in working with us. > >We will still move on the Loring park wireless project and what ever projects the group wants to work on. > >Andrew. > >________________________________ > >From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Leif Pihl >Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 2:30 PM >To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) > > > >TCWUG-ers: > >As a part of composing the earlier six messages, and learning about >the Loring Park project, I thought: Hey, why don't I propose this as >a larger project to the Minneapolis Park & Recreation Board? > >So, I called them up, and found out that one of the Commissioners, >the VP in fact, has already proposed this, a "RFP" has gone out, and >two or three proposals have come in. >"Netsurf.cc" and "Airwrx" have already put forward proposals, and >"Nortel" is expected to before today's deadline. > > >Unfortunately, so far as I know, > * NOBODY at the MP&RB thought to consult with the TCWUG, and/or send >us the RFP. > > * TODAY (Friday Jan 16th, 2004 at 4:00 pm) is the deadline for >submitting a proposal. > > >Hmmmmm... > >Sounds too late to me for us to get involved, at least on the DOING >end of things. > > >_BUT_ I understand that it MAY not be too late for us to get involved >on the evaluation end of things. LETS SPEAK UP!!! I suggest >inviting to our February 10th meeting: > - Commissioner John Erwin of the MP&RB, > - Mr. Bill Beck of the City of >Minneapolis' IT Department > and possibly > - Mr. Don Siggelkow , Staff person >for the MP&RB who is dealing with the RFP in question. > > - In my own case, I am represented by Commisioner Marie Hauzer > of the 3rd District, so I'd like to personally >invite her as well. > >>>> WHAT DO YOU SAY??? Should we invite these people to the meeting >>>>so that we can exchange views, information, questions, etc... in >>>>BOTH directions? > > >leif@pihl.us > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > >Attachment Converted: "i:\pavilion dump\d\umn\attach\winmail20.dat" >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sat Jan 17 07:17:48 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1st Question: meeting day-of-month; changing to a different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040117071748.01bb0768@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Thursday evenings will always be busy for me during spring semester at the U. Sunday mornings are sometimes busy. I'm neutral to other dates. At 02:00 PM 1/16/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>>> The TCWUG's regular meeting _day_ (as opposed to _date_) is the SECOND TUESDAY of each month. When I'm on top of things enough to think of attending a meeting, I attend a different meeting on the SECOND TUESDAY of each month, and thus have not attended the TCWUG meeting in over a year. For those of you who already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be WORST for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to STOP attending? For those of you who do not already regularly attend the meetings: * Is there a different day of the month that would be BETTER for you? i.e.: Would switching days cause you to START attending? Thanks, leif@pihl.us -- -------------------- #### PLEASE NOTE!!! By way of my ISP, I subscribe to the "Postini" Spam filter. I have not (yet) had any problems in so called "false positives", where legitimate E-mail is identified as spam... but there could always be a first time! Thanks, LP ==================== _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list <<<< "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sat Jan 17 07:34:48 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 3rd Question: Multiple Zones on same hardware? In-Reply-To: <20040116212510.GA28869@hexapodia.org> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040117073448.01bb0768@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> At 03:25 PM 1/16/2004 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:56:45PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: >> all 802.11b WEP is worthless.. 40bit takes several hours to break, and >> 128bit only takes a few more than that. > >I'm under the impression that if you have sufficiently intelligent >firmware on the base station and client cards, they can avoid using the >"weak" WEP keys, which prevents the airsnort-style attack from working. > >I don't know how secure WEP such a "careful WEP" is. Clearly a more >carefully-thought-out system such as IPSec is more likely to be secure. > >-andy I've read that some firmware is able to dynamically change the WEP keys at set intervals such that the brute force attack on WEP is marginalized due to the time for running the brute force being significantly longer than the key change interval. My take on WEP in general...none, 40, or 128 bit, is that if you're running a private network turn it on as high as your hardware will support. It may be an easily broken obstacle, but at least its a clear message that you didn't intend for casual war-drivers to connect to your network. If there are other unencrypted networks in the vicinity, they're likely to more attention first. If you're running a public network, don't enable WEP. In this case users should use SSH, VPN, or other encryption means to secure any communications they feel could be sensitive if 'heard' (sniffed) over the air. One idea I have (haven't seen it done anywhere myself) is on a public network the clients could VPN into the machine running the Nocat or dhcp (or a machine behind it) and then the traffic would be passed on over in clear over the wired link. That'd alleviate the most sensitive wireless link from much sniffing risk for users who don't have any other VPN servers to connect to. Their requests are going to go into the clear anyway if all they are using their VPN setup for is to encrypt the wireless portion and surf the web thru their VPN gateway (wherever that may be; eg. the umn vpn gateways). "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nick at nuicide.com Sat Jan 17 12:31:17 2004 From: nick at nuicide.com (Nick Johannes) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FS: Powerbook 15" 1.25ghz, Superdrive, Airport Extreme (802.11b/g) Message-ID: <004701c3dd28$18b65a20$c800a8c0@stig> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bich at mac.com Sat Jan 17 14:07:24 2004 From: bich at mac.com (Dorklandia) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FS: Powerbook 15" 1.25ghz, Superdrive, Airport Extreme (802.11b/g) In-Reply-To: <004701c3dd28$18b65a20$c800a8c0@stig> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Sat Jan 17 15:21:07 2004 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FS: Powerbook 15" 1.25ghz, Superdrive, Airport Extreme (802.11b/g) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1077EF4B-4933-11D8-8113-000A958B32EC@visi.com> On Jan 17, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Dorklandia wrote: > 'Lame' is not quite how I would describe it..... > > > > It's a Titanium. Bleh. :-S Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From drechsau at geeks.org Sat Jan 17 16:08:06 2004 From: drechsau at geeks.org (Mike Horwath) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FS: Powerbook 15" 1.25ghz, Superdrive, Airport Extreme (802.11b/g) In-Reply-To: References: <004701c3dd28$18b65a20$c800a8c0@stig> Message-ID: <20040117220806.GA36676@octanews.net> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 02:07:24PM -0600, Dorklandia wrote: > 'Lame' is not quite how I would describe it..... Now now...having issues with brands of computers is kind of silly... -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau@Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bich at mac.com Sat Jan 17 18:05:02 2004 From: bich at mac.com (Dorklandia) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FS: Powerbook 15" 1.25ghz, Superdrive, Airport Extreme (802.11b/g) In-Reply-To: <20040117220806.GA36676@octanews.net> Message-ID: It would be silly if certain chip manufacturers and certain software vendors had not been sued multiple times for criminal behavior and stifling innovation on 2 continents, soon to be three..... On Saturday, January 17, 2004, at 04:08 PM, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 02:07:24PM -0600, Dorklandia wrote: >> 'Lame' is not quite how I would describe it..... > > Now now...having issues with brands of computers is kind of silly... > > -- > Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau@Geeks.ORG > Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jan 19 10:03:18 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 4th Question: What's current status of 802.16 and 802.20? In-Reply-To: ; from leif@pihl.us on Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:06:09PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040119100318.I23703@real-time.com> On 01/16 02:06 , Leif Pihl wrote: > Now or Future?: {Status of: 802.11 v. 802.16 v. 802.20} > (2) I know that: one or both are supposed to provide for much longer > distances, one is more suited to transmissions while in motion and > one will probably come to market faster because it's a variation on an > already existing protocol. > > That's _IT_. What I do not have is any real-world knowledge of what's > actually available now or in the near future, and how this technology > could affect my purchasing decisions. > > - What is the current and near-term status of 802.16 and 802.20? I've never heard of them before, and they sound like some company's proprietary 'standards', which no one else will use. ;) My advice is to treat wireless gear like any other technology gear. Buy it when you need it; not before, not afterwards. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Mon Jan 19 10:35:30 2004 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 4th Question: What's current status of 802.16 and 802.20? In-Reply-To: <20040119100318.I23703@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c3deaa$41431db0$6601a8c0@stratlap2> WiMAX (802.16) is the latest hyped radio technology, to be sure. Some equipment is already available, but not yet in this country. General availability of the gear in the US is projected for late this year. With data rates up to 75Mbps, a range up to 30 miles for point-to-point NLOS transmission and a typical cell radius of 4 ? 6 miles, I believe it will be used extensively for wireless backhaul from Wi-Fi access points and other broadband. There's a mobility variant of 802.16 that could muddy the water. WiMAX is intended as a Metro Area Network standard and 802.20 is intended as a Wide Area Network standard, but there will likely be a lot of overlap between the two. If you haven't heard about WiMAX yet, believe me, you will. It's likely to be excessively hyped this year. http://www.wimaxforum.org/home Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:03 AM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] 4th Question: What's current status of 802.16 and 802.20? On 01/16 02:06 , Leif Pihl wrote: > Now or Future?: {Status of: 802.11 v. 802.16 v. 802.20} > (2) I know that: one or both are supposed to provide for much longer > distances, one is more suited to transmissions while in motion and > one will probably come to market faster because it's a variation on an > already existing protocol. > > That's _IT_. What I do not have is any real-world knowledge of what's > actually available now or in the near future, and how this technology > could affect my purchasing decisions. > > - What is the current and near-term status of 802.16 and 802.20? I've never heard of them before, and they sound like some company's proprietary 'standards', which no one else will use. ;) My advice is to treat wireless gear like any other technology gear. Buy it when you need it; not before, not afterwards. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Jan 19 10:28:51 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 4th Question: What's current status of 802.16 and 802.20? In-Reply-To: <20040119100318.I23703@real-time.com> References: <20040119100318.I23703@real-time.com> Message-ID: <90E9E4DE-4A9C-11D8-83DC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> On Jan 19, 2004, at 10:03 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 01/16 02:06 , Leif Pihl wrote: >> Now or Future?: {Status of: 802.11 v. 802.16 v. 802.20} >> (2) I know that: one or both are supposed to provide for much >> longer >> distances, one is more suited to transmissions while in motion >> and >> one will probably come to market faster because it's a variation >> on an >> already existing protocol. >> >> That's _IT_. What I do not have is any real-world knowledge of >> what's >> actually available now or in the near future, and how this >> technology >> could affect my purchasing decisions. >> >> - What is the current and near-term status of 802.16 and 802.20? > > > I've never heard of them before, and they sound like some company's > proprietary 'standards', which no one else will use. ;) by way of an fyi - if it has the 802 designator, you might want to check out the IEEE web site. there are actually working groups which have these designations and by way of an FYI, they typically have nerds from a variety of vendors. candidly, i haven't been following either of these groups too closely. if you're interested in getting updates on what's going on in them, here are some useful URLs. 802.16 - wireless MAN technologies. more akin to what the WUG is interested in doing. supports both licensed and unlicensed portions of the spectrum and makes some provisions for "L2" centric QoS iirc. http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/16/index.html 802.20 - mobile broadband wireless, targeting licensed spectrum <3.5Ghz w/speeds in the 1Mbit+ range and support for moving users. http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/20/index.html > My advice is to treat wireless gear like any other technology gear. > Buy it > when you need it; not before, not afterwards. {snipped - misc. signatures} -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 17:32:20 2004 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040119233220.3061.qmail@web9610.mail.yahoo.com> Having the opinion of a family member who works in the appliance industry, I put very little credibility in Consumer Reports and similar entities. When testing washing machines, dryers, ovens, dishwashers, etc. they often rate two appliances (that are built in the same factory, whose only difference is the badge/brand name on the front) on completely opposite ends of the spectrum. I will usually check on sites like Amazon that allow people to leave feedback on products. But of course I take it all with a grain of salt. In the end I agree with the others, buy it and if you don't like it return it. -Dave --- Leif Pihl wrote: > At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also purchased > > a 802.11b card for it. What we do not have is a base station to plug > > into our LAN. If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to > the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of > "Consumer Reports" magazine. I'm sorry, but I just don't think that > they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi. So... > > - In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) > should I go to for _UNBIASED_ Wi-Fi equipment reviews? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 23:12:29 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: FW: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) Message-ID: oops: meant to post my reply.. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Cole [mailto:cncole@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:34 PM To: Leif Pihl Subject: RE: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Leif Pihl [mailto:leif@pihl.us] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:04 PM > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:49:53 -0600 > >From: "Chuck Cole" > > > >TCWUG is not an entity in business terms, so it cannot respond > >legally. No Park & Rec Board person that did a basic check would be > >likely to respond because TCWUG, being a non-entity, cannot take any > >responsibility in the community. > > > Excuse me, but I think you've misunderstood. > > I do NOT mean that we should get involved in the building of the network. > I _DO_ think that we should get involved in the EVALUATION or or > other sorts of public comment phases of the MP&RB's procurement > process. > > LP Maybe, but it may be the reverse... Park & Rec is unlikely to acknowledge ANY responses from a group that is not a recognizable entity - except as a very shallow courtesy. By procurement law, they cannot - especially now with an active RFP schedule. Commenting as an individual or making unsolicited comments that can be put in the circular file is gonna be OK though :-) They may contract registered consultants or corporations to do separate system evaluations, and they may have a means to accept an "unsolicited proposal", but they won't take info "off the street" as would be the case for TCWUG or TCLUG to submit something. I would expect the Park & Rec Board to have a designated means for evaluations (ie, a contracted or internal review panel) and not review much themselves except a final recommendation on the RFP responses by that designated panel. Having a closed and structured review process is also a usual legal requirement for procurements. Coming to one of our meetings is not proper now. Members of the Park & Rec Board won't care much about the techie part of a WiFi project, and members of their review panel would not be permitted to discuss anything related until this whole RFP cycle (submission through evaluations) is completed. We should know who to invite and when to invite them. Don't misunderstand MY point: I think TCWUG should define itself as a non-profit that could be an acceptable commentator or contributor to such public works. It may not be in TCWUG's best interest to respond when there is no criterion of charter or membership or qualification or submission other than "some hobbyists" who respond randomly. TCWUG may earn a reputation as a "loose cannon" that must be "handled". Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Mon Jan 19 23:41:58 2004 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP(deadline, etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019501c3df16$df175a30$6601a8c0@stratlap2> I agree with Chuck about the need to be a real organization. I'm a bit worried about liability that efforts such as the Loring Park project can involve. What if one of the volunteers falls, dies, and the family goes looking for someone to sue. Without a formal organization, liability can't be limited (I'm not saying it's tremendously better even with an org) and lawyers will go looking for fat pockets among the "membership," which right now is everyone on this list. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Cole Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:56 PM To: TCWUG-List Subject: FW: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP(deadline, etc.) oops: meant to post my reply.. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Cole [mailto:cncole@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:34 PM To: Leif Pihl Subject: RE: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP (deadline, etc.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Leif Pihl [mailto:leif@pihl.us] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:04 PM > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:49:53 -0600 > >From: "Chuck Cole" > > > >TCWUG is not an entity in business terms, so it cannot respond > >legally. No Park & Rec Board person that did a basic check would be > >likely to respond because TCWUG, being a non-entity, cannot take any > >responsibility in the community. > > > Excuse me, but I think you've misunderstood. > > I do NOT mean that we should get involved in the building of the network. > I _DO_ think that we should get involved in the EVALUATION or or > other sorts of public comment phases of the MP&RB's procurement > process. > > LP Maybe, but it may be the reverse... Park & Rec is unlikely to acknowledge ANY responses from a group that is not a recognizable entity - except as a very shallow courtesy. By procurement law, they cannot - especially now with an active RFP schedule. Commenting as an individual or making unsolicited comments that can be put in the circular file is gonna be OK though :-) They may contract registered consultants or corporations to do separate system evaluations, and they may have a means to accept an "unsolicited proposal", but they won't take info "off the street" as would be the case for TCWUG or TCLUG to submit something. I would expect the Park & Rec Board to have a designated means for evaluations (ie, a contracted or internal review panel) and not review much themselves except a final recommendation on the RFP responses by that designated panel. Having a closed and structured review process is also a usual legal requirement for procurements. Coming to one of our meetings is not proper now. Members of the Park & Rec Board won't care much about the techie part of a WiFi project, and members of their review panel would not be permitted to discuss anything related until this whole RFP cycle (submission through evaluations) is completed. We should know who to invite and when to invite them. Don't misunderstand MY point: I think TCWUG should define itself as a non-profit that could be an acceptable commentator or contributor to such public works. It may not be in TCWUG's best interest to respond when there is no criterion of charter or membership or qualification or submission other than "some hobbyists" who respond randomly. TCWUG may earn a reputation as a "loose cannon" that must be "handled". Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jan 21 08:10:02 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Slightly OT] very long range antennas (i.e. interplanetary) Message-ID: <20040121075528.F15660@real-time.com> For those of you who are antenna geeks, this page might be interesting, even if not wireless-ethernet related. http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Telemetry.htm down towards the bottom of the page they have an interesting section on the radiation patterns from spiral antennas with circular polarization, as used by the Russian Venus probes. Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Jan 24 11:26:47 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: ora newsletter (14jan-2004) Message-ID: <20040124172605.GA4456@botwerks.org> my apologies for the belated nature of this distribution. handle accordingly. ;-) -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders January 14, 2004 ================================================================ -No Starch, Paraglyph, and Syngress books are now available -O'Reilly UG Wiki on the Way -Put Up an O'Reilly ThinkGeek Banner, Get A Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book ISBN number on your request. 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For more information, go to: http://www.stlwebdev.org/resources/awards/ Until next time-- Marsee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 18:41:02 2004 From: wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net (wireless) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Encryption question Message-ID: <401303CA.8030304@comcast.net> Howdy ... it's been awhile. Hope all has been going well. I am hoping someone can help me with this question: I have a wireless network that is encrypted (64bit) and the encryption is generated by a passkey. I recently purchased another access point to put on the network -- a D-Link DWL-800AP. It does not have the ability to generate encryption using a passkey. Instead, one must make up the codes for each of the four keys. I don't know what characters my passkey would translate into. Is there some kind of table I can access somewhere that would tell lme that? By the way ... it is probably evident from the way in which I am posing the above question that I am not an expert on this stuff. Thanks anyone for help you can give. Patrick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Sat Jan 24 19:23:23 2004 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Encryption question In-Reply-To: <401303CA.8030304@comcast.net>; from wirelessguyinstpaul@comcast.net on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:46:18PM -0600 References: <401303CA.8030304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040124190900.A23835@florence.linkmargin.com> wireless wrote: > [...] > I have a wireless network that is encrypted (64bit) and the encryption > is generated by a passkey. I recently purchased another access point to > put on the network -- a D-Link DWL-800AP. It does not have the ability > to generate encryption using a passkey. Instead, one must make up the > codes for each of the four keys. I don't know what characters my passkey > would translate into. Is there some kind of table I can access somewhere > that would tell lme that? That's unlikely to be a productive approach. I'd recommend the alternative of switching every thing over to a known hexadecimal key. Almost all systems I have seen have the ability to enter a key directly, instead of using a passphrase (which the software just cooks down to use as a key anyway.) To further add to the confusion, each manufacturer's passphrase -> key algorithm is different. Give that a try and let us know how it goes. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dean at ripperd.com Sat Jan 24 20:05:46 2004 From: dean at ripperd.com (Dean E.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Encryption question In-Reply-To: <401303CA.8030304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20040124191027.00c03aa0@mail.ripperd.com> At 05:46 PM 1/24/2004, you wrote: >Howdy ... it's been awhile. Hope all has been going well. > >I am hoping someone can help me with this question: > >I have a wireless network that is encrypted (64bit) and the encryption is >generated by a passkey. I recently purchased another access point to put >on the network -- a D-Link DWL-800AP. It does not have the ability to >generate encryption using a passkey. Instead, one must make up the codes >for each of the four keys. I don't know what characters my passkey would >translate into. Is there some kind of table I can access somewhere that >would tell lme that? > >By the way ... it is probably evident from the way in which I am posing >the above question that I am not an expert on this stuff. > >Thanks anyone for help you can give. > >Patrick Make a new one. Rotating that key is an important security precaution, and I would advise you to increase your encryption strength to 128bit (aka 104bit) if at all possible. If you are too lazy to make them yourself you can connect via SSL to https://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/wepgen/index.php and get some random numbers, if you are trusting. -Dean >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- dean@ripperd.com http://www.ripperd.com Carpe Diem! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 11:17:30 2004 From: wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net (wireless) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Encryption question In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20040124191027.00c03aa0@mail.ripperd.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20040124191027.00c03aa0@mail.ripperd.com> Message-ID: <40134289.4000702@comcast.net> Thanks for your response. P Dean E. wrote: > At 05:46 PM 1/24/2004, you wrote: > >> Howdy ... it's been awhile. Hope all has been going well. >> >> I am hoping someone can help me with this question: >> >> I have a wireless network that is encrypted (64bit) and the >> encryption is generated by a passkey. I recently purchased another >> access point to put on the network -- a D-Link DWL-800AP. It does not >> have the ability to generate encryption using a passkey. Instead, one >> must make up the codes for each of the four keys. I don't know what >> characters my passkey would translate into. Is there some kind of >> table I can access somewhere that would tell lme that? >> >> By the way ... it is probably evident from the way in which I am >> posing the above question that I am not an expert on this stuff. >> >> Thanks anyone for help you can give. >> >> Patrick > > > > Make a new one. Rotating that key is an important security > precaution, and I would advise you to increase your encryption > strength to 128bit (aka 104bit) if at all possible. > > If you are too lazy to make them yourself you can connect via SSL to > https://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/wepgen/index.php and get some > random numbers, if you are trusting. > > -Dean > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > -- > dean@ripperd.com > http://www.ripperd.com > Carpe Diem! > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From goober at shell.schulte.org Tue Jan 27 18:41:37 2004 From: goober at shell.schulte.org (Goober) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> References: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> Message-ID: <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> Linksys is Cisco these days. -- Alex Hartman Chief Engineer KVSC 88.1FM Chief Engineer KCLD 104.7FM On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ted Rattei wrote: > > On Jan 16, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Leif Pihl wrote: > > > At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also purchased > > a 802.11b card for it.? What we do not have is a base station to plug > > into our LAN.? If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to > > the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of > > "Consumer Reports" magazine.? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that > > they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi.? So... > > > > ?-? In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) > > ?? should I go to for? _UNBIASED_? Wi-Fi equipment reviews? > > Buy it and see how you like it. > > Everything else is someone's personal opinion, which will always be > biased. > > I personally like the Cisco gear (expensive), Apple's AirPort base > station (good admin tools if you use Mac OS X, Windows something or > other, and there is a Java program that will let other OSes config the > base station). Linksys and Netgear seem to of made some decent stuff > as well. > > Buy it, and if you don't like it, return it. > > cheers! > > Ted > > > -- > Ted Rattei > tedr@rattei.org > 612-201-2393 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jan 27 22:21:04 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> References: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: <20040128041215.GC19305@ringworld.org> * Goober [040127 18:46]: > Linksys is Cisco these days. Except it doesn't run IOS, and the sensativity of the radios is sub-par. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Dean For America -- http://www.deanforamerica.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From titlerw at mindspring.com Wed Jan 28 00:56:10 2004 From: titlerw at mindspring.com (William Titler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] older wirelss routers/AP and cable/DSL Message-ID: <004101c3e56a$a4a90420$0400a8c0@accrue.com> All, a friend of mine has asked me if he could use a one of the older (circa 2002) wireless routers or AP from Netgear or D-link that are not labeled as DSL/cable compatible with their Cable modem connection. Having setup a few networks with newer Netgear hardware and realizing that the router did have a portion of the setup that took some info from the ISP I was not sure. The other question is do you recommend a wireless router or an Access Point for single computer setups. If you are wondering why not just go with the new stuff, it is price there are some older routers/APs out their that are $20 or so. Examples are D-Link:DI-746 and NG:HE102 William Titler ________________________ William Titler | Datanautics Tel 612.823.5432 Fax 707.516.0730 william.titler@datanautics.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jan 28 09:56:28 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> References: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: not quite. linksys makes the consumer grade gear. there's a definite difference in the caliber of the hardware and the software between the two families. linksys is a wholly owned subsidiary of cisco that makes consumer products. they share a logo. On Jan 27, 2004, at 6:22 PM, Goober wrote: > Linksys is Cisco these days. > > -- > Alex Hartman > Chief Engineer KVSC 88.1FM > Chief Engineer KCLD 104.7FM > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ted Rattei wrote: > >> >> On Jan 16, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Leif Pihl wrote: >> >>> At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also purchased >>> a 802.11b card for it.? What we do not have is a base station to plug >>> into our LAN.? If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to >>> the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of >>> "Consumer Reports" magazine.? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that >>> they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi.? So... >>> >>> ?-? In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) >>> ?? should I go to for? _UNBIASED_? Wi-Fi equipment reviews? >> >> Buy it and see how you like it. >> >> Everything else is someone's personal opinion, which will always be >> biased. >> >> I personally like the Cisco gear (expensive), Apple's AirPort base >> station (good admin tools if you use Mac OS X, Windows something or >> other, and there is a Java program that will let other OSes config the >> base station). Linksys and Netgear seem to of made some decent stuff >> as well. >> >> Buy it, and if you don't like it, return it. >> >> cheers! >> >> Ted >> >> >> -- >> Ted Rattei >> tedr@rattei.org >> 612-201-2393 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From goober at shell.schulte.org Fri Jan 30 10:24:08 2004 From: goober at shell.schulte.org (Goober) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: References: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: <20040128102359.K47889@pinnacle.schulte.org> I would assume then, that cisco might just be sharing some software coders with linksys? Yes, they're not cisco radios, but they sure price some stuff as if they were. :P -- Alex Hartman Chief Engineer KVSC 88.1FM Chief Engineer KCLD 104.7FM On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, steve ulrich wrote: > not quite. > > linksys makes the consumer grade gear. there's a definite difference > in the caliber of the hardware and the software between the two > families. linksys is a wholly owned subsidiary of cisco that makes > consumer products. they share a logo. > > > On Jan 27, 2004, at 6:22 PM, Goober wrote: > > > Linksys is Cisco these days. > > > > -- > > Alex Hartman > > Chief Engineer KVSC 88.1FM > > Chief Engineer KCLD 104.7FM > > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ted Rattei wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jan 16, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Leif Pihl wrote: > >> > >>> At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also purchased > >>> a 802.11b card for it.? What we do not have is a base station to plug > >>> into our LAN.? If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go to > >>> the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of > >>> "Consumer Reports" magazine.? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that > >>> they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi.? So... > >>> > >>> ?-? In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) > >>> ?? should I go to for? _UNBIASED_? Wi-Fi equipment reviews? > >> > >> Buy it and see how you like it. > >> > >> Everything else is someone's personal opinion, which will always be > >> biased. > >> > >> I personally like the Cisco gear (expensive), Apple's AirPort base > >> station (good admin tools if you use Mac OS X, Windows something or > >> other, and there is a Java program that will let other OSes config the > >> base station). Linksys and Netgear seem to of made some decent stuff > >> as well. > >> > >> Buy it, and if you don't like it, return it. > >> > >> cheers! > >> > >> Ted > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ted Rattei > >> tedr@rattei.org > >> 612-201-2393 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >> Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 14:14:35 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Dell g card Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Jan 30 14:34:43 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: New Dell g card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040130203154.GJ19305@ringworld.org> I've not had good luck with these cards so far, the radios don't seem to be nearly the same quality as the 'classic' 802.11b cards. * Chuck Cole [040130 14:13]: > Anybody know whether the newer Dell 1300 g card is also made by Lucent as the Orinoco Gold equiv 1150s were/are, and does the 1300 > also have external antenna connectors? I looked around but this info was hard to find. > > > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Dean For America -- http://www.deanforamerica.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From oinos at darkgeek.com Fri Jan 30 14:40:21 2004 From: oinos at darkgeek.com (Jon Thorson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Dell g card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31403.167.68.1.67.1075494959.squirrel@www.darkgeek.com> > Anybody know whether the newer Dell 1300 g card is also made by Lucent as > the Orinoco Gold equiv 1150s were/are, and does the 1300 > also have external antenna connectors? I looked around but this info was > hard to find. The Dell TrueMoblie 1300 is based on a Broadcom chipset. I don't know about the pcmcia version having external antenna connections as mine is the mini-pci version. Broadcom hasn't released Linux drivers for this yet as far as I know, so if you want to run it under Linux, you'll have to give $20 to Linuxant for their driver wrapper tool. -j _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 14:45:57 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: New Dell g card In-Reply-To: <20040130203154.GJ19305@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the comment.. Must not be made by Lucent (ie, Bell Labs) but.. Do they have the external antenna connector? Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > > > I've not had good luck with these cards so far, the radios don't seem to > be nearly the same quality as the 'classic' 802.11b cards. > > * Chuck Cole [040130 14:13]: > > Anybody know whether the newer Dell 1300 g card is also made by Lucent as the Orinoco Gold equiv 1150s were/are, and > does the 1300 > > also have external antenna connectors? I looked around but this info was hard to find. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Jan 30 14:51:30 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: New Dell g card In-Reply-To: References: <20040130203154.GJ19305@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20040130204429.GK19305@ringworld.org> I believe they do, one of my users has the 802.11b/g card from 'orinoco' which was lucent, but is now owned by proxim. They said that it does have an external connector. * Chuck Cole [040130 14:39]: > Thanks for the comment.. Must not be made by Lucent (ie, Bell Labs) but.. > > Do they have the external antenna connector? > > > Chuck > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > > > > > > I've not had good luck with these cards so far, the radios don't seem to > > be nearly the same quality as the 'classic' 802.11b cards. > > > > * Chuck Cole [040130 14:13]: > > > Anybody know whether the newer Dell 1300 g card is also made by Lucent as the Orinoco Gold equiv 1150s were/are, and > > does the 1300 > > > also have external antenna connectors? I looked around but this info was hard to find. > > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Dean For America -- http://www.deanforamerica.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 15:08:55 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: New Dell g card In-Reply-To: <20040130204429.GK19305@ringworld.org> Message-ID: I'm really asking about the Dell-branded 1300 11g cards whoever they are made by. I don't believe they are made by either Lucent or Proxim, but I'm not sure. Proxim has made their flavor of Orinoco 11b firmware updates proprietary so they don't work on the Dell-by-Lucent 11b Gold cards. I have tried to avoid Proxim since they became proprietary. I like the price on the Dell 11g cards, so am trying to sort out other details on them. Know about antenna connectors on the Dell-branded 11g cards? Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:44 PM > > > I believe they do, one of my users has the 802.11b/g card from 'orinoco' > which was lucent, but is now owned by proxim. They said that it does > have an external connector. > > * Chuck Cole [040130 14:39]: > > Thanks for the comment.. Must not be made by Lucent (ie, Bell Labs) but.. > > > > Do they have the external antenna connector? > > > > > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jan 30 15:20:15 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 5th Question: Where to go for Unbiased Equipment Reviews? In-Reply-To: <20040128102359.K47889@pinnacle.schulte.org> References: <3650C86E-48B1-11D8-B83B-000A95A53942@rattei.org> <20040127182217.M45658@pinnacle.schulte.org> <20040128102359.K47889@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: <11A4597C-5369-11D8-887E-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> On Jan 28, 2004, at 10:25 AM, Goober wrote: > I would assume then, that cisco might just be sharing some software > coders > with linksys? Yes, they're not cisco radios, but they sure price some > stuff as if they were. :P i believe that those would be erroneous assumptions. the discerning and/or sober buyer will note that you can purchase a linksys wrt54g for $80 which gives you a 4 port 10/100 switch, a 100mbit uplink and a 54g AP. the software is open source and is available for download from the linksys site. (GPL issues which have now been resolved, aside.) additionally, there are folks making their own versions of the firmware. the 1100 AP which is either B or G and doesn't include a 4 port switch, runs IOS and has a totally different and far more advanced feature set. throw in a far better RF deck and a list price of $599 and i'm not sure how you can draw the parallel. my 1100 blows the "socks" off my 54g, there's a reason i have one vs. another. ;-) > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, steve ulrich wrote: > >> not quite. >> >> linksys makes the consumer grade gear. there's a definite difference >> in the caliber of the hardware and the software between the two >> families. linksys is a wholly owned subsidiary of cisco that makes >> consumer products. they share a logo. >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2004, at 6:22 PM, Goober wrote: >> >>> Linksys is Cisco these days. {snipped - misc signatures} >>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ted Rattei wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Leif Pihl wrote: >>>> >>>>> At the time we purchased my wife's laptop computer, we also >>>>> purchased >>>>> a 802.11b card for it.? What we do not have is a base station to >>>>> plug >>>>> into our LAN.? If I was purchasing a coffee maker, I'd know to go >>>>> to >>>>> the library, and photocopy some pages from a recent edition of >>>>> "Consumer Reports" magazine.? I'm sorry, but I just don't think >>>>> that >>>>> they're quick enough, or "up to speed" on the topic of Wi-Fi.? >>>>> So... >>>>> >>>>> ?-? In _YOUR_ opinions, what resource (web page, magazine, etc.) >>>>> ?? should I go to for? _UNBIASED_? Wi-Fi equipment reviews? >>>> >>>> Buy it and see how you like it. >>>> >>>> Everything else is someone's personal opinion, which will always be >>>> biased. >>>> >>>> I personally like the Cisco gear (expensive), Apple's AirPort base >>>> station (good admin tools if you use Mac OS X, Windows something or >>>> other, and there is a Java program that will let other OSes config >>>> the >>>> base station). Linksys and Netgear seem to of made some decent >>>> stuff >>>> as well. >>>> >>>> Buy it, and if you don't like it, return it. > {snipped - misc signatures} -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 15:34:05 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Dell g card In-Reply-To: <31403.167.68.1.67.1075494959.squirrel@www.darkgeek.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I'm probably wrong on #1300 as the model number since I was looking for a mini-PCI also as an upgrade for my laptop and I didn't check my notes before posting away.. sorry for the confusion. My questions are aimed at the Dell 11b/g PCMCIA card, but I checked and it appears to carry the 1300 series number also. Should I worry about compatibility if I upgrade my HP's internal card? Mine has a LED indicator connector on the upper left (seen with connector down) that probably won't exist on a 11g upgrade, and two tiny coax connectors in the upper right. Can't easily see whether the coax connectors are marked. Some of the mini-PCI on ebay seem to have identical coax locations so there would be no cable relocation at all in the laptop. The internal antenna is feeble enough as is.. I wouldn't want to break its well-hiddeen leads. Comments? Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Jon Thorson > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:36 PM > To: cncole@earthlink.net; Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] New Dell g card > > > > Anybody know whether the newer Dell 1300 g card is also made by Lucent as > > the Orinoco Gold equiv 1150s were/are, and does the 1300 > > also have external antenna connectors? I looked around but this info was > > hard to find. > > The Dell TrueMoblie 1300 is based on a Broadcom chipset. I don't know > about the pcmcia version having external antenna connections as mine is > the mini-pci version. Broadcom hasn't released Linux drivers for this yet > as far as I know, so if you want to run it under Linux, you'll have to > give $20 to Linuxant for their driver wrapper tool. > > -j _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list