From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jul 1 01:32:48 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] interested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030701063248.GB2047@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:02:42AM +0000, Jay Haugen wrote: > Matt, > i just discovered tcwug recently as did i create a wi-fi network. i am > interested in following your mapping project. what do i need to do to keep > viewing it? i noticed the memo about creating a username/passsword to be > able to remain viewing the map. is this still true? > jay haugen > Hi, you've reached the twin cities wireless users group mailing list, the maps are freely viewable at http://maps.tcwug.org -- you only need a login/password to modify node entries. If you're interested in joining the TCWUG, I'd recommend starting at http://www.tcwug.org and joining the mailing list. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Jul 1 11:12:10 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] interested In-Reply-To: <20030701063248.GB2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030701063248.GB2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030701161210.GJ14503@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:32:48AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:02:42AM +0000, Jay Haugen wrote: >> Matt, >> i just discovered tcwug recently as did i create a wi-fi network. i am >> interested in following your mapping project. what do i need to do to keep >> viewing it? i noticed the memo about creating a username/passsword to be >> able to remain viewing the map. is this still true? >> jay haugen >> > >Hi, you've reached the twin cities wireless users group mailing list, >the maps are freely viewable at http://maps.tcwug.org -- you only need a >login/password to modify node entries. > >If you're interested in joining the TCWUG, I'd recommend starting at >http://www.tcwug.org and joining the mailing list. Is anyone else having trouble modifying there node on maps.tcwug.org? I keep getting an error that I don't have the right to change the node (after having logged in of course). Maybe it is just me being dumb. On a simular note; is there any interest in building out any wifi nodes? My node is #377. There are a few nodes in my vacinity, some already considered for networking. Is there still interest in these networks coming to fruition? I often find myself in Longfellow Park hanging out with the kids. There is node #395 on the east side of the park. Wouldn't it be grand to cover the entire park with wifi? Wouldn't it be grand to cover all the parks in the metro with wifi? of course it would. Thoughts? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030701/8ac08952/attachment.pgp From mellswor at well.com Tue Jul 1 16:38:29 2003 From: mellswor at well.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dropped packets at Dunn Bros. on 3rd In-Reply-To: <20030701161210.GJ14503@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <006401c34019$213e31b0$6500a8c0@stratvantagelap> I had two meetings, morning and afternoon, at the Dunn Bros. on 3rd and could not effectively use the Internet connection at either. The card (Dell Latitude CSx 500 MHz PIII with Linksys 54g WPC54G) said it connected fine, although a little slowly, to the AP. It then took a while to connect to the Internet. When I pinged the router, many times I had 100% loss, other times between 25 and 75% loss, sometimes perfect. Same when I pinged the DNS server. I went to the machines provided on the second floor and they worked flawlessly, but my laptop would kind of halfheartedly load Web pages every once in a while. In the afternoon, I couldn't get any Internet connectivity, yet several other folks with laptops seemed to be doing fine. I tried putting the card in B mode from mixed, but that had no effect. All other networking settings appeared nominal. On the way home, I stopped off at a few open APs I know about and had no trouble at all connecting and downloading my email. Any ideas? Thanks. Mike Ellsworth Stratvantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.stratvantage.com/ www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 1 16:56:11 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dropped packets at Dunn Bros. on 3rd In-Reply-To: <006401c34019$213e31b0$6500a8c0@stratvantagelap> References: <006401c34019$213e31b0$6500a8c0@stratvantagelap> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the linksys AP's used at Dunn Bros has known issues with 11g cards.. when we had the meeting there, a 17" powerbook with the airport 11g card could associate, but not send any packets. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > I had two meetings, morning and afternoon, at the Dunn Bros. on 3rd and > could not effectively use the Internet connection at either. The card (Dell > Latitude CSx 500 MHz PIII with Linksys 54g WPC54G) said it connected fine, > although a little slowly, to the AP. It then took a while to connect to the > Internet. When I pinged the router, many times I had 100% loss, other times > between 25 and 75% loss, sometimes perfect. Same when I pinged the DNS > server. > > I went to the machines provided on the second floor and they worked > flawlessly, but my laptop would kind of halfheartedly load Web pages every > once in a while. > > In the afternoon, I couldn't get any Internet connectivity, yet several > other folks with laptops seemed to be doing fine. I tried putting the card > in B mode from mixed, but that had no effect. All other networking settings > appeared nominal. > > On the way home, I stopped off at a few open APs I know about and had no > trouble at all connecting and downloading my email. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Mike Ellsworth > Stratvantage Consulting, LLC > Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions > 8273 Westwood Hills Curve > St. Louis Park, MN 55426 > 952-525-1584 > mellsworth@stratvantage.com > www.stratvantage.com/ > www.TheWiFiGuys.com > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > Ben Franklin, ~1784 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/AgN9flzKmtpiQEMRAk1AAJ9fs4KwetiZwdWSKvKZ/yez95H+aQCfWUVU cE+3kGRgcHExJOQwF3OZI30= =ZOxn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellswor at well.com Tue Jul 1 22:31:15 2003 From: mellswor at well.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dropped packets at Dunn Bros. on 3rd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b501c3404a$64dc90c0$6500a8c0@stratvantagelap> Thanks, Ben. Have they made some kind of change at the 3rd Ave Dunn Bros.? I've attached there successfully at least twice before with the same setup. Mike Ellsworth Stratvantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.stratvantage.com/ www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Ben Kochie Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:56 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Dropped packets at Dunn Bros. on 3rd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the linksys AP's used at Dunn Bros has known issues with 11g cards.. when we had the meeting there, a 17" powerbook with the airport 11g card could associate, but not send any packets. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > I had two meetings, morning and afternoon, at the Dunn Bros. on 3rd and > could not effectively use the Internet connection at either. The card (Dell > Latitude CSx 500 MHz PIII with Linksys 54g WPC54G) said it connected fine, > although a little slowly, to the AP. It then took a while to connect to the > Internet. When I pinged the router, many times I had 100% loss, other times > between 25 and 75% loss, sometimes perfect. Same when I pinged the DNS > server. > > I went to the machines provided on the second floor and they worked > flawlessly, but my laptop would kind of halfheartedly load Web pages every > once in a while. > > In the afternoon, I couldn't get any Internet connectivity, yet several > other folks with laptops seemed to be doing fine. I tried putting the card > in B mode from mixed, but that had no effect. All other networking settings > appeared nominal. > > On the way home, I stopped off at a few open APs I know about and had no > trouble at all connecting and downloading my email. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Mike Ellsworth > Stratvantage Consulting, LLC > Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions > 8273 Westwood Hills Curve > St. Louis Park, MN 55426 > 952-525-1584 > mellsworth@stratvantage.com > www.stratvantage.com/ > www.TheWiFiGuys.com > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > Ben Franklin, ~1784 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/AgN9flzKmtpiQEMRAk1AAJ9fs4KwetiZwdWSKvKZ/yez95H+aQCfWUVU cE+3kGRgcHExJOQwF3OZI30= =ZOxn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Tue Jul 1 23:06:53 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting 7/8 Message-ID: The July meeting is next week. If we have the same numbers as June, I?ll find a bigger space for August! Come on people, let?s stuff that back room! If anyone has a particular topic they would like to talk about at the meeting, post to the list or email me directly; I?ll put together an agenda. Otherwise, we?ll cover the usual: Loring Park, overlay networks, new business, etc, and then we?ll open the floor for wild and free ranging discussion!!! Next meeting: Tuesday, July 8, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hallacy wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 01:02:42AM +0000, Jay Haugen wrote: >>> Matt, >>> i just discovered tcwug recently as did i create a wi-fi network. i am >>> interested in following your mapping project. what do i need to do to keep >>> viewing it? i noticed the memo about creating a username/passsword to be >>> able to remain viewing the map. is this still true? >>> jay haugen >>> >> >> Hi, you've reached the twin cities wireless users group mailing list, >> the maps are freely viewable at http://maps.tcwug.org -- you only need a >> login/password to modify node entries. >> >> If you're interested in joining the TCWUG, I'd recommend starting at >> http://www.tcwug.org and joining the mailing list. > Is anyone else having trouble modifying there node on maps.tcwug.org? I > keep getting an error that I don't have the right to change the node > (after having logged in of course). Maybe it is just me being dumb. > > On a simular note; is there any interest in building out any wifi nodes? > My node is #377. There are a few nodes in my vacinity, some already > considered for networking. Is there still interest in these networks > coming to fruition? > > I often find myself in Longfellow Park hanging out with the kids. There > is node #395 on the east side of the park. Wouldn't it be grand to > cover the entire park with wifi? Wouldn't it be grand to cover all the > parks in the metro with wifi? of course it would. > > Thoughts? > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Jul 2 10:55:59 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] interested In-Reply-To: References: <20030701161210.GJ14503@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030702155559.GK14503@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:41:19AM -0500, Ben Nelson wrote: >We'll be talking about the project to cover Loring Park at the next meeting. >We're actually pretty far into the project: spotty coverage right now, two >more sites around the park identified and ready to be built out. Come on >down to the next meeting and hear all about it! > >Longfellow could be next. Any interest in heading it up? hrm. YES. That sounds fun. Is anyone in the Longfellow 'hood still following this list? The meeting this month happens to coincide with the TCLUG installfest. Granted the installfest begins in the day, but it gets hard to leave once you are there. I have not been to a meeting for quite some time, and I would very much like to catch up on all the haps. Are there others that plan on going to the Installfest that are also concidering the TCWUG meeting? It would sure be easier to break from the Installfest if others were heading out as well. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They said we could mooch wireles off of them during our meetings. :) Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 06:41:19AM -0500, Ben Nelson wrote: >>We'll be talking about the project to cover Loring Park at the next >> meeting. >>We're actually pretty far into the project: spotty coverage right now, >> two >>more sites around the park identified and ready to be built out. Come on >>down to the next meeting and hear all about it! >> >>Longfellow could be next. Any interest in heading it up? > hrm. YES. That sounds fun. Is anyone in the Longfellow 'hood still > following this list? > > The meeting this month happens to coincide with the TCLUG installfest. > Granted the installfest begins in the day, but it gets hard to leave > once you are there. I have not been to a meeting for quite some time, > and I would very much like to catch up on all the haps. > > Are there others that plan on going to the Installfest that are also > concidering the TCWUG meeting? It would sure be easier to break from > the Installfest if others were heading out as well. > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Wed Jul 2 21:12:42 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:42 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Equipment list Message-ID: The following equipment is available for the Loring Park project: 1. Sun Sparcstation 5: 4 GB 10000 rpm SCSI, 128 MB ram, CDROM, on board Ethernet, quad ethernet card, 24 bit frame buffer, Solaris 8; 2. Linksys WET-11 ethernet to rf bridge; 3. (2) Linksys WMP-11 PCI wireless cards (Broadcom chipset); 4. (2) D-Link DWL-900AP+ Access Points. Neal nkras at visi dot com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Jul 6 18:07:42 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Everyone, Just a remind, the July meeting is next Tuesday! See you there. Ben -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net ------ Forwarded Message From: Ben Nelson Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:06:53 -0500 To: "tcwug-list@tcwug.org" , tc-unwired Subject: Meeting 7/8 The July meeting is next week. If we have the same numbers as June, I?ll find a bigger space for August! Come on people, let?s stuff that back room! If anyone has a particular topic they would like to talk about at the meeting, post to the list or email me directly; I?ll put together an agenda. Otherwise, we?ll cover the usual: Loring Park, overlay networks, new business, etc, and then we?ll open the floor for wild and free ranging discussion!!! Next meeting: Tuesday, July 8, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey gang- Did the group decide where we are meeting? The folks' at The Loading Zone could really use our business, and would love to host our meeting. The Loading Zone is in Uptown, at Lyndale Ave and Lake Street. It's free to get in and use the wireless access during the meeting. They also have coffee and other wild drinks available, as well as pop and cookies. Yummy. Big Chocolate Chip Cookies. Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > I am going to be heading to Loring park this evening around 4:00 to get > some AP data. I have my GPS and Kismet working pretty well now. I > should be there for a hour or so. > > > > I picked up a small 11" x 17" dry erase board for the meeting that I > will bring. > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew. > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Jul 7 14:37:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030707193752.GV2047@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:19:11PM -0500, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > Hey gang- > > Did the group decide where we are meeting? The folks' at The Loading Zone > could really use our business, and would love to host our meeting. The > Loading Zone is in Uptown, at Lyndale Ave and Lake Street. It's free to > get in and use the wireless access during the meeting. They also have > coffee and other wild drinks available, as well as pop and cookies. Yummy. > Big Chocolate Chip Cookies. > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- Sounds like a good place to check out, unfortunately it overlaps with the TCLUG installfest, and possibly an interview. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jul 7 14:57:34 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030707195734.GH20602@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:19:11PM -0500, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: >Hey gang- > >Did the group decide where we are meeting? The folks' at The Loading Zone >could really use our business, and would love to host our meeting. The >Loading Zone is in Uptown, at Lyndale Ave and Lake Street. It's free to >get in and use the wireless access during the meeting. They also have >coffee and other wild drinks available, as well as pop and cookies. Yummy. >Big Chocolate Chip Cookies. I would, personally, much rather go to a meeting at TLZ than any corporate coffee house. As has been noted[1], it does conflict with the TCLUG installfest [2] for Tuesday. [1] http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/2003-July/001500.html http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/2003-July/001506.html [2] http://tclug.org/installfest/ -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My allergies took a beating when TLZ was that "other name", when smoke WAS the air you breathed. > As has been noted[1], it does conflict with the TCLUG installfest [2] > for Tuesday. Double affirmative. Regardless where the meeting is held tonight, I will not be there. ;-) I figure I may as well stop in at the TCLUG Installfest for once in a couple years. ;-) Maybe I'll install YellowDog Linux on this iBook. ;-/ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Mon Jul 7 15:30:43 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <20030707201727.GC4645@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030707195734.GH20602@autonomous.tv> <20030707201727.GC4645@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 TLZ has never been "that other name" Loading Zone has always been smoke free. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Likewise, though I hope TLZ is fairly smoke-free. My allergies took a > beating when TLZ was that "other name", when smoke WAS the air you > breathed. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Cdh4flzKmtpiQEMRAj3RAJ9IAUMWig2kJRTvwg2JKYOZfcT2HwCfcUq/ yeZ/TytYBzUT2oJ1AynlOoM= =F27b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jul 7 16:24:55 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <20030707201727.GC4645@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030707195734.GH20602@autonomous.tv> <20030707201727.GC4645@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030707212455.GA352@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 03:17:27PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:57:34PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: >Double affirmative. Regardless where the meeting is held tonight, I The meeting is tommorow Jul 08, 2003 for clarification. >will not be there. ;-) I figure I may as well stop in at the TCLUG >Installfest for once in a couple years. ;-) > >Maybe I'll install YellowDog Linux on this iBook. ;-/ I thought you ran Debian on that thing? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm game to do some running to locations to troubleshoot and get the AP's back up if needed but I/we need access to such locations. It would be nice if we could get access to remotely administer problems. A TCWUG admin id and ssh. Should we run this like a help desk with the different levels of troubleshooting or do we go straight to the source? Where is the list going to be maintained? I'll bring the data I've been gathering to the meeting tomorrow. I'm mainly driving the south Minneapolis area since that's where my base is at. I'm pretty surprised at how many access points there are. If someone is good with the GPSmaps, we can maybe get a good looking map. I've been vI've just started goofing with MapPoint 2002 but my knowledge makes for some not so good maps. This one if 58k: http://tcwug.azimmer.com/loring.gif Here is the location of all the AP's that I've found: http://tcwug.azimmer.com/complete.csv It is rough and had AP's listed 2 or more times so.... Thanks, Andrew. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Mon Jul 7 22:44:16 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park In-Reply-To: <002d01c34501$48d9e830$7501a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: On 7/7/03 10:30 PM, "Andrew Zimmer" wrote: > Hello. > > Well I spent about an hour in Loring Park tonight walking around looking > for TCWUG but I couldn't find it. Where does the Loring Park AP stand? > > I did get an ESSID of "no ssid" with kismet. Maybe a problem with the > AP tonight between 4:10 and 5:15? It was on channel 6 so I do not think > it is TCWUG's. I picked up 3 AP's in the park using channel 6. Ack! Not channel 6. That's the default setting for most Aps. My previous survey indicated channel 2. > This brings up a good point as to what do we do if there is a problem. > I'm game to do some running to locations to troubleshoot and get the > AP's back up if needed but I/we need access to such locations. I'd volunteer for that, since I'm right off the park. > It would > be nice if we could get access to remotely administer problems. A TCWUG > admin id and ssh. Agreed. That would be a job for an administrator. Job titles? --------------- Site Administrator Engineer For starters. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Mon Jul 7 23:27:55 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003a01c34509$4df8f790$7501a8c0@az.local> Here is run down of the AP's that I found my Linksys WPC11: Revolution, 4, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps, This should be Utne. Network, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps ANY311, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps Tsunami, 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 11Mbps Default, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 22Mbps Wireless, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps , 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 11Mbps HomeNetwork, 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 22Mbps SurfThing, 1, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps, Dunn Brothers Linksys, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps They are in different sections of the park. The GPS is off by a little I am sure. I found some other WNIC's looking for an association with an AP. It lists the AP as a 'Probe'. There are a few other AP's with the same name but different MAC addresses. I'm guessing that they are not hosting the Infrastructure network. Thanks, Andrew _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Tue Jul 8 00:58:42 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park In-Reply-To: <003a01c34509$4df8f790$7501a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: On 7/7/03 11:27 PM, "Andrew Zimmer" wrote: > > Here is run down of the AP's that I found my Linksys WPC11: > > Revolution, 4, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps, This should be Utne. > Network, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps > ANY311, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps > Tsunami, 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 11Mbps > Default, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 22Mbps > Wireless, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps > , 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 11Mbps > HomeNetwork, 6, Infrastructure, WEP, 22Mbps > SurfThing, 1, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps, Dunn Brothers > Linksys, 6, Infrastructure, No WEP, 11Mbps > > They are in different sections of the park. The GPS is off by a little > I am sure. I found some other WNIC's looking for an association with an > AP. It lists the AP as a 'Probe'. There are a few other AP's with the > same name but different MAC addresses. I'm guessing that they are not > hosting the Infrastructure network. Tomorrow night, probably after the meeting, I'll set up a translator for TCWUG node 415 using the WET-11 and the DWL-900AP+. My translator will be on channel 2. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Tue Jul 8 08:19:28 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:43 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 channel 1, 6, and 11 are the three non-overlaping channels. channel 2 overlaps with 6 on the fringe of their rf bandwidth. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > Tomorrow night, probably after the meeting, I'll set up a translator for > TCWUG node 415 using the WET-11 and the DWL-900AP+. My translator > will be on channel 2. > > Neal > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/CsTjflzKmtpiQEMRAvU/AJ9+Tvoxyjq6D48G8o8GJ1tXNiegwwCfQwQ7 cOhJkeDU03P8kMCO96EtG+U= =CR3W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From efk at bitstream.net Tue Jul 8 12:36:58 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (Eric Humphries) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <20030707193752.GV2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030707193752.GV2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030708173658.GB16475@bitstream.net> I'm confused, is the tcwug next week or tonight? -- Eric Humphries _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Tue Jul 8 12:56:25 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! In-Reply-To: <20030708173658.GB16475@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <000001c3457a$40117b40$7501a8c0@az.local> Tonight at Dunn Brothers in Minneapolis. The site www.tcwug.org site has the accurate information. See you there, Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org] On > Behalf Of Eric Humphries > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:37 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday! > > I'm confused, is the tcwug next week or tonight? > > -- > Eric Humphries > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bkrebs at mn.rr.com Tue Jul 8 13:30:19 2003 From: bkrebs at mn.rr.com (Brian Krebs) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] T-Mobile References: <000401c3448f$96231700$cb01a8c0@az.local> <1101.24.245.76.162.1057605551.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030707193752.GV2047@techmonkeys.org> <20030708173658.GB16475@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <000f01c3457e$fc953aa0$6701a8c0@entertainment> There was some posts back in April in regards to being able to have access to the internet from a laptop using a T-Zones enabled phone. Once my present year obligation is up, I'm thinking of trying T-Mobile out, but am curious as to how this works. Was this with their internet plan for $29.99/month or can this be done with the T-Zones unlimited plan for $9.99/month? If it can be done with the cheaper plan, what all needs to be set up to get this to work? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tshubitz at mac.com Tue Jul 8 14:39:46 2003 From: tshubitz at mac.com (Tim Shubitz) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <000f01c3457e$fc953aa0$6701a8c0@entertainment> Message-ID: Brian, I've been running the $3/month plan with my T68i and PowerBook and have been able to get online just fine. I haven't been able to figure out what's the real difference between their Internet plans and the T-Zones bit. I've used both and they work the same (though the T-Zones does have some extra "stuff" associated with it and your phone). Previously on the list an individual had posted that they were connecting to T-Mobile through their phone using the address: wap.voicestream.net. This worked for me. Hope that helps. I also hope that T-Mobile doesn't wise up and "fix" this. :-) Anyway. Have a fab day. tim On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 01:30 PM, Brian Krebs wrote: > There was some posts back in April in regards to being able to have > access > to the internet from a laptop using a T-Zones enabled phone. Once my > present year obligation is up, I'm thinking of trying T-Mobile out, > but am > curious as to how this works. Was this with their internet plan for > $29.99/month or can this be done with the T-Zones unlimited plan for > $9.99/month? > > If it can be done with the cheaper plan, what all needs to be set up > to get > this to work? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Tim Shubitz wrote: > Brian, > I've been running the $3/month plan with my T68i and PowerBook and > have been able to get online just fine. I haven't been able to figure > out what's the real difference between their Internet plans and the > T-Zones bit. I've used both and they work the same (though the T-Zones > does have some extra "stuff" associated with it and your phone). > Previously on the list an individual had posted that they were > connecting to T-Mobile through their phone using the address: > wap.voicestream.net. This worked for me. Hope that helps. I also hope > that T-Mobile doesn't wise up and "fix" this. :-) Anyway. Have a fab > day. > > > tim > > > > On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 01:30 PM, Brian Krebs wrote: > > > There was some posts back in April in regards to being able to have > > access > > to the internet from a laptop using a T-Zones enabled phone. Once my > > present year obligation is up, I'm thinking of trying T-Mobile out, > > but am > > curious as to how this works. Was this with their internet plan for > > $29.99/month or can this be done with the T-Zones unlimited plan for > > $9.99/month? > > > > If it can be done with the cheaper plan, what all needs to be set up > > to get > > this to work? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 8 15:20:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: > I would get the $20/mo unlimited GPRS add-on so you can use their > compressing HTTP server. This is internet2.voicestram.com and > internet3.voicestream.com access. Is this plan advertised anywhere? I can't find it on their web site for the life of me.. > The $10 T-Zones wap.voicestream.com will work, but you wont get the > (really nice to have) proxy server no the option for a real IP. (all > natted) ..and ipsec won't work over it, even with nat-t. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 8 16:50:12 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > > I would get the $20/mo unlimited GPRS add-on so you can use their > > compressing HTTP server. This is internet2.voicestram.com and > > internet3.voicestream.com access. > Is this plan advertised anywhere? I can't find it on their web site for > the life of me.. As far as I know, its $20 for any plan over $30 or $40 for voice. Call em up and ask... > > > The $10 T-Zones wap.voicestream.com will work, but you wont get the > > (really nice to have) proxy server no the option for a real IP. (all > > natted) > > ..and ipsec won't work over it, even with nat-t. :( > > Yeah, thats what internet3 is for. :) -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bkrebs at mn.rr.com Tue Jul 8 18:50:09 2003 From: bkrebs at mn.rr.com (Brian Krebs) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile References: Message-ID: <003201c345ab$aa3d3cd0$6701a8c0@entertainment> Thanks for all of the responses, but I still have some questions. Apparently, I can use my phone to attach to my laptop and get an internet connection through T-Zones. Obviously, I'll need a cable to connect the two as I don't have an ir or bt device for my laptop. Where's a good place to find one? After I get the cable, what all needs to be set up on my laptop in order to get the connection going? Please forgive me, but I'm running Windows XP, not Linux. pause to let big gasp die down... J/K If someone could provide some step by step directions in relatively laymen's terms, that would be greatly appreciated. It looks like you guys are doing some really cool things on this list, but I'm a software programmer, so I'm a little behind in regards to networking and hardware, so any help would be greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier - dieman" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > I would get the $20/mo unlimited GPRS add-on so you can use their > > > compressing HTTP server. This is internet2.voicestram.com and > > > internet3.voicestream.com access. > > Is this plan advertised anywhere? I can't find it on their web site for > > the life of me.. > > As far as I know, its $20 for any plan over $30 or $40 for voice. Call em > up and ask... > > > > > > The $10 T-Zones wap.voicestream.com will work, but you wont get the > > > (really nice to have) proxy server no the option for a real IP. (all > > > natted) > > > > ..and ipsec won't work over it, even with nat-t. :( > > > > > > Yeah, thats what internet3 is for. :) > > -- > Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 8 19:33:49 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <003201c345ab$aa3d3cd0$6701a8c0@entertainment> References: <003201c345ab$aa3d3cd0$6701a8c0@entertainment> Message-ID: <1057710828.25455.28.camel@3po> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 18:50, Brian Krebs wrote: > Thanks for all of the responses, but I still have some questions. > Apparently, I can use my phone to attach to my laptop and get an internet > connection through T-Zones. Obviously, I'll need a cable to connect the two > as I don't have an ir or bt device for my laptop. Where's a good place to > find one? After I get the cable, what all needs to be set up on my laptop > in order to get the connection going? Please forgive me, but I'm running > Windows XP, not Linux. pause to let big gasp die down... J/K It depends on the phone, of course. Try hunting around a bit on the website of the manufacturer of your phone, or just Googling on the model number. I suppose I was a bit lucky when I picked my Motorola C332, which just has a USB port on it (It had a somewhat weird connector on the phone, but CompUSA carried an appropriate cable). I've never really had to put it to any use, but it was a neat feature (and I can save/edit my phonebook once I find or write some decent Linux software for it). Also, you might just try checking with T-Mobile and see if they have a connector kit. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Give your child mental / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ blocks for Christmas. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030708/2caaab23/attachment.pgp From arif at rabblerouser.org Tue Jul 8 21:23:13 2003 From: arif at rabblerouser.org (arif) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <1057710828.25455.28.camel@3po> References: <003201c345ab$aa3d3cd0$6701a8c0@entertainment> <1057710828.25455.28.camel@3po> Message-ID: <1057717392.25422.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 19:33, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 18:50, Brian Krebs wrote: > > Thanks for all of the responses, but I still have some questions. > > Apparently, I can use my phone to attach to my laptop and get an internet > > connection through T-Zones. Obviously, I'll need a cable to connect the two > > as I don't have an ir or bt device for my laptop. Where's a good place to > > find one? After I get the cable, what all needs to be set up on my laptop > > in order to get the connection going? Please forgive me, but I'm running > > Windows XP, not Linux. pause to let big gasp die down... J/K > > It depends on the phone, of course. To add to the phone advice, I'll chime in with my experience: I've got tmobile service, and the sony ericsson T300. The cool thing about the phone is that it's got an IR port, and one day, sitting at a conference, I thought "hey, I wonder if. . ." and as it turns out, it works beautifully. I haven't tried it with Linux yet since I've no longer got a laptop that runs linux, but Windows 2k recognized it as a modem over an IR link and was happy to get on the 'net with it -- no cable, no nothing. Only downside is that it does run down the battery a bit more quickly. -arif _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Tue Jul 8 21:50:15 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c345c4$d372f9a0$7501a8c0@az.local> Well folks, it looks like we have 2 locations around Loring park that we can use as repeaters. We have tentatively decided to have a D-Link 900+ with a yagi antenna for the backbone to the internet AP and a WET11 with an omni antenna for the clients at each location. So, we have the AP hardware but not the antennas. We are looking for 2 outdoor yagi antennas and 2 outdoor omni antennas that TCWUG can have, hopefully something > 9dBi and a reverse SMA connector. If you do not have an antenna that we can use, you can help by purchasing an antenna. We can point you in the direction of some good inexpensive antennas or you can make a financial contribution to the group. However, donations are not tax deductible since we are not an official non-profit, but you should get a feeling of doing something good your fellow person. And isn't that what it's really about? If you can help, post back to the list or throw an email to either nkras@visi.com, benmgroup@earthlink.net, or andrew@azimmer.com. Thanks for your time, Andrew. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 9 09:14:36 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <1057717392.25422.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 8 Jul 2003, arif wrote: > To add to the phone advice, I'll chime in with my experience: I've got > tmobile service, and the sony ericsson T300. The cool thing about the > phone is that it's got an IR port, and one day, sitting at a > conference, I thought "hey, I wonder if. . ." and as it turns out, it > works beautifully. I haven't tried it with Linux yet since I've no > longer got a laptop that runs linux, but Windows 2k recognized it as a > modem over an IR link and was happy to get on the 'net with it -- no > cable, no nothing. Only downside is that it does run down the battery > a bit more quickly. I used to do it that way, but always ran into problems with getting things lined up when I was in a car or something. Also, getting IR working under Linux can be a pain with some Ericsson phones - have to set the max speed to 19200 (IIRC), or it won't work. I use bluetooth on my t68i now; works great. Also bought one of those $3 usb->phone cables, so if my phone starts running low, I can put it on real power. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 9 09:19:01 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <003201c345ab$aa3d3cd0$6701a8c0@entertainment> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Brian Krebs wrote: > Thanks for all of the responses, but I still have some questions. > Apparently, I can use my phone to attach to my laptop and get an > internet connection through T-Zones. Obviously, I'll need a cable to > connect the two as I don't have an ir or bt device for my laptop. > Where's a good place to find one? What kind of phone do you have? (It all depends on the phone.) > After I get the cable, what all needs to be set up on my laptop in > order to get the connection going? Again, depends on the phone. If you don't have an IR port, there's a good chance your phone doesn't emulate a modem on it's own. That means you'll have to find a Windows driver for it that emulates a modem. Then, you just either dial up your ISP (at 9600 using voice minutes) or the special T-Zones number, and boom, you've got 'net access. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Wed Jul 9 09:23:32 2003 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307090923.32973.scheides@iexposure.com> Bastards! Maybe they have udp/500 blocked? No ipsec negotiation over our network..no sir! -scheides On Tuesday 08 July 2003 3:20 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: > > I would get the $20/mo unlimited GPRS add-on so you can use their > > compressing HTTP server. This is internet2.voicestram.com and > > internet3.voicestream.com access. > > Is this plan advertised anywhere? I can't find it on their web site for > the life of me.. > > > The $10 T-Zones wap.voicestream.com will work, but you wont get the > > (really nice to have) proxy server no the option for a real IP. (all > > natted) > > ..and ipsec won't work over it, even with nat-t. :( -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cscheidecker at iexposure.com Wed Jul 9 09:21:46 2003 From: cscheidecker at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307090921.46688.cscheidecker@iexposure.com> Bastards! Maybe they have udp/500 blocked? No ipsec negotiation over our network..no sir! -scheides On Tuesday 08 July 2003 3:20 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: > > I would get the $20/mo unlimited GPRS add-on so you can use their > > compressing HTTP server. This is internet2.voicestram.com and > > internet3.voicestream.com access. > > Is this plan advertised anywhere? I can't find it on their web site for > the life of me.. > > > The $10 T-Zones wap.voicestream.com will work, but you wont get the > > (really nice to have) proxy server no the option for a real IP. (all > > natted) > > ..and ipsec won't work over it, even with nat-t. :( -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 9 09:27:35 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <200307090923.32973.scheides@iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Chris Scheidecker wrote: > Bastards! Maybe they have udp/500 blocked? Seems that UDP/500 is allowed (the initial negotiations go through fine), but udp/4500 and ESP traffic are not. > No ipsec negotiation over our network..no sir! Maybe I'll have to try the $20 addon plan.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 9 16:32:10 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Group Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to put together a group order to demarchtech.com, in hopes of getting some discounting. My current list of parts I want to get are: DT-ZM-200mW-WC (200mw prism 2.5 card) 10 Pack $1282.00 DT-CA-RPMMCX-NFB (pigtail for cards) 10 Pack $ 179.50 Also on my bulk order list is: spool of LMR-400 and coax crimping tools for LMR-400 Soekris net 4521 boards - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/DIncflzKmtpiQEMRAlGfAJwK7DVXm/sJDYrQss9CQgmXpRWWZwCdHRn6 8IZnhDcRfyUi6PwkuIHXGqI= =NyNL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jul 9 18:49:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Group Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 04:32:10PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > I am trying to put together a group order to demarchtech.com, in hopes of > getting some discounting. > > My current list of parts I want to get are: > > DT-ZM-200mW-WC (200mw prism 2.5 card) 10 Pack $1282.00 > DT-CA-RPMMCX-NFB (pigtail for cards) 10 Pack $ 179.50 Have you looked at the 200mW senaeo cards? http://www.netnimble.net/senao200mwcard.html they're $99 each on sale, not sure about bulk (cheaper alone than demarc in quantity) http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/SenaoCard Apparently they can actually push 250mW http://aberinfo.goos.com/index.shtml $66 individual, $76 for 2+ (???) These are also 200mw: http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/scwicapccaie1.html without an exterrnal antenna connector, for $24.95 each, seem to be prism2 since it mentions linux drivers. http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/enwir80exran1.html 100mw, ext antenna ports, $39.95, unsure about chipset. > -ben > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dave at davedash.com Wed Jul 9 19:06:12 2003 From: dave at davedash.com (Dave Dash) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 200 mW SCEPTRE In-Reply-To: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <50AD870A-B26A-11D7-9B3B-00039397F470@davedash.com> Does anybody know anything about these cards? Do they run well on linux? Are they reliable? Etc. This seems to be an awfully good price since regular PCMCIA cards are about $40 at the regular retail outlets. (Granted, with shipping this would almost be the same). I've got a Linux laptop (yes, that I got on ebay) that's looking for a card (coudln't successfully get a DWL 650+ that was lying around running on it propperly). Thanks, -dd On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 06:49 PM, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > These are also 200mw: > > http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/scwicapccaie1.html > > without an exterrnal antenna connector, for $24.95 > each, seem to be prism2 since it mentions linux drivers. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dhswanson at attbi.com Wed Jul 9 20:16:18 2003 From: dhswanson at attbi.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] t mobil Message-ID: <000001c34680$df81a680$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> One of the guys in our Pocket PC support group is the Director of Tech for Select Cellular -very knowledgeable about T-Mobil Data. His name is Mark: 612 701 2019. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030709/c6b5fa95/attachment.html From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jul 9 20:45:38 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: t mobil In-Reply-To: <000001c34680$df81a680$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: Note that most of these people get commision opposed to the salaried (i think?) csr's on the phone. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, David Swanson wrote: > One of the guys in our Pocket PC support group is the Director of Tech > for Select Cellular -very knowledgeable about T-Mobil Data. His name is > Mark: 612 701 2019. > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Wed Jul 9 21:38:14 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Group Order In-Reply-To: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 06:49:16PM -0500 References: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030709213814.A940@florence.linkmargin.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > [...] > > DT-ZM-200mW-WC (200mw prism 2.5 card) 10 Pack $1282.00 I think these are the Zcomax cards. They are good, MMCX connector, Prism 2.5. The Rx sensitivity doesn't quite match the output power, but they're solid. > These are also 200mw: > > http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/scwicapccaie1.html > > without an exterrnal antenna connector, for $24.95 > each, seem to be prism2 since it mentions linux drivers. The power is quoted as 16-18dBm, which is <= 70mW; maybe the spec sheet power is a typo, they have a 200 in the part number :). Also these have a 32-bit cardbus host interface @ 3.3V, so be sure your host can grok that. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Wed Jul 9 22:54:41 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Group Order In-Reply-To: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030709234916.GE2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the one thing I've heard about the demarc cards is the better recive sensitivity.. which is just as important as output power.. the demarc card may have enough recive to allow 5.5-11mb over long links, where other cards will drop to 1-2mb I need to go through and check the specs on all the cards. SMC also has a new 200mw card.. which is similar to the seano. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 04:32:10PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > I am trying to put together a group order to demarchtech.com, in hopes of > > getting some discounting. > > > > My current list of parts I want to get are: > > > > DT-ZM-200mW-WC (200mw prism 2.5 card) 10 Pack $1282.00 > > DT-CA-RPMMCX-NFB (pigtail for cards) 10 Pack $ 179.50 > > Have you looked at the 200mW senaeo cards? > > http://www.netnimble.net/senao200mwcard.html > > they're $99 each on sale, not sure about bulk (cheaper > alone than demarc in quantity) > > http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/SenaoCard > > Apparently they can actually push 250mW > > http://aberinfo.goos.com/index.shtml $66 individual, > $76 for 2+ (???) > > These are also 200mw: > > http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/scwicapccaie1.html > > without an exterrnal antenna connector, for $24.95 > each, seem to be prism2 since it mentions linux drivers. > > http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/enwir80exran1.html > > 100mw, ext antenna ports, $39.95, unsure about chipset. > > > -ben > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/DOODflzKmtpiQEMRAg9CAJ0WzmU04nh0U47wcn9g3l2yyrUpAACgi4YE qPSBYq2eZS6v49sYG900Kng= =XSee -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 14:24:08 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectors Message-ID: <20030710192408.72852.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, I'm a new member to the list. I was wondering if anyone happened to know of a local supplier that would have MMCX type connectors for Orinoco wireless card external antennas. I have been scouring the area, and so far have been unable to find anything. Thanks! -Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mikek at lacalhene.com Thu Jul 10 14:57:12 2003 From: mikek at lacalhene.com (KASSNER, Michael) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectors Message-ID: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F783B@EXCHSERV1> Hello, I have been trying for almost a year and half and have not had any luck locating a local source. I have used this supplier many times and they ship usually the same day so there is no real problem in that regard. http://www.fab-corp.com/ I forgot, I assume you are referring to pigtails, as just the connectors are very difficult to find. I would not even want to try to make a cable with a MMCX connector. I also wanted to double check as I thought Orinoco used proprietary connectors similar to MMCX. The website kind of confirms that, but they list all types of pigtails. Hope that this helps, MKassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 7/8/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Jul 10 23:17:46 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] GPRS, again! Message-ID: I found out that T-Mobile is using PBCCH (allows them to more easily keep data users from keeping voice users from calling people) in some networks recently. I'm guessing thats why I've been having lots of issues making GPRS connects lately and I've decided to get my phone upgraded to the newest firmware, which supposedly fixes it. I should get it back next week, I'll let you all know how it goes. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From adam at askewview.net Fri Jul 11 02:51:28 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? Message-ID: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has external antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one Thanks, Adam _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 07:31:19 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:45 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <20030711123119.68701.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> I searched for a long time to find cards that have external connections. It seems either very few do, or they just don't know that it's a sought after feature and don't advertise it. The card I ended up with is a Proxim ORiNOCO Gold, model #8420-WD. It only supports 11b, but as of right now that's all I'm using anyway. The only references I could find online to cards with antennas all pointed towards ORiNOCO. Hopefully you are able to find what you need! -Dave --- Adam wrote: > Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has > external > antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mikek at lacalhene.com Fri Jul 11 08:10:33 2003 From: mikek at lacalhene.com (KASSNER, Michael) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? Message-ID: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F783D@EXCHSERV1> Hello, There are three major brands that have external antenna connectors. Orinoco and Senao are brands that I have used. The Senao has 200mw output and the best receiver sensitivity ratings of most of them. http://www.senao.com/default-1.htm This next web page is from the Seattle group and it talks about cards and the Senao brand as well http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#line42. The list is pretty thorough. As I have said that I use both brands and I have likes and dislikes about both, but they are not major. I would see which had the best deal and if you wanted the extra power of the Senao. I believe SMC now has a 200mw card, but I have no experience with it. Hope this helps. Michael Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jul 11 08:55:28 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F783D@EXCHSERV1> References: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F783D@EXCHSERV1> Message-ID: <20030711135528.GA7466@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Friday, Jul 11, 2003), KASSNER, Michael was madly tapping out: > Hello, > > There are three major brands that have external antenna connectors. Orinoco > and Senao are brands that I have used. The Senao has 200mw output and the > best receiver sensitivity ratings of most of them. > > http://www.senao.com/default-1.htm > > This next web page is from the Seattle group and it talks about cards and > the Senao brand as well > > http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#line42. > > The list is pretty thorough. As I have said that I use both brands and I > have likes and dislikes about both, but they are not major. I would see > which had the best deal and if you wanted the extra power of the Senao. I > believe SMC now has a 200mw card, but I have no experience with it. the cisco LMC cards also have mmcx connectors for a pigtail and an external antenna. the receiver sensitivity is quite good and they're 100mw cards. it's key to note that if you're interested in running HostAP mode you'll want a prism based card. which the senao's are. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mikek at lacalhene.com Fri Jul 11 09:13:20 2003 From: mikek at lacalhene.com (KASSNER, Michael) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? Message-ID: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F783E@EXCHSERV1> I am curious if there is a problem with my trying to help, I will gladly leave the list. I am thankful that I have people helping me in several of the lists all across the world, and I just wanted to do the same. Michael Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Jul 11 09:15:18 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> References: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm trying to get a bulk order of DemarcTech 200mw cards.. they're a little spendy, but very high output, and good recive sensitivity. They use a removeable external antenna, with standard RP-MMCX connectors. http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html for a cheap card, try the SMC high-power card. Whenever SMC decides to ship this card.. http://www.chumbo.com/info.asp?s=662698702736 - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Adam wrote: > Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has external > antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/DsZ4flzKmtpiQEMRAuw3AJ9iR8wpj7klUeswp1OmMnpoAPtSNwCfSism blS3o1UmZ4Ynet1zhJqjdUw= =zaR8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Fri Jul 11 10:21:23 2003 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <200307111021.23844.scheides@iexposure.com> I know that the cards Dell sells have external connections on them, I believe they're based on the Orinoco Gold... On Friday 11 July 2003 9:15 am, Ben Kochie wrote: > I'm trying to get a bulk order of DemarcTech 200mw cards.. they're a > little spendy, but very high output, and good recive sensitivity. They > use a removeable external antenna, with standard RP-MMCX connectors. > > http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2 >-5-pcmcia-card.html > > for a cheap card, try the SMC high-power card. Whenever SMC decides to > ship this card.. > > http://www.chumbo.com/info.asp?s=662698702736 > > -ben > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Adam wrote: > > Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has > > external antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one > > > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Fri Jul 11 10:38:51 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net>; from adam@askewview.net on Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:28AM -0500 References: <1085.192.168.1.104.1057909888.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <20030711103851.A5775@florence.linkmargin.com> Adam wrote: > Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has external > antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one Is there a particular application that you want this for ? This might help you decide between the 3 broad categories that people have described: o Orinoco o Prism o Cisco E.g. if you want a killer kismet box, Cisco or Prism are probably your best bet, hostap would imply Prism, hermesap implies Orinoco. Any of them will make a great client. You can get versions in each category with external antenna connectors. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 11 10:52:26 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200307111021.23844.scheides@iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Chris Scheidecker wrote: > I know that the cards Dell sells have external connections on them, I believe > they're based on the Orinoco Gold... The TrueMobile 1150? "Based" is an understatement; they *are* Orinoco Golds. Just with a slightly different firmware, as I recall. Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jul 11 17:35:06 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20030711123119.68701.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Dell Trumobile 1150 cards are re-branded Lucent/Agere Orinoco cards. These are more economical than true Orinoco cards on eBay, have the same antenna connectors. The Dell 1150 , and use the same software - but not the same software as the current brand-owner of Orinoco, Proxim. I have a Dell and like it. Jeff Lehman and I can't tell the difference between my Dell and his Orinoco. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On > Behalf Of Dave W. > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:31 AM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? > > > I searched for a long time to find cards that have external > connections. It seems either very few do, or they just don't know that > it's a sought after feature and don't advertise it. The card I ended > up with is a Proxim ORiNOCO Gold, model #8420-WD. It only supports > 11b, but as of right now that's all I'm using anyway. The only > references I could find online to cards with antennas all pointed > towards ORiNOCO. Hopefully you are able to find what you need! > > -Dave > > --- Adam wrote: > > Any suggestions for a good wireless pcmcia card that actually has > > external > > antenna connections? My Netgear ma401 doesnt have one > > > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From paul at gilbertson.net Sat Jul 12 13:36:46 2003 From: paul at gilbertson.net (Paul Gilbertson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] PC card Nic & antenna Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20030712170003.4829.66081.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00b201c348a4$8cd806b0$6600a8c0@t20> I have purchased and used for about a month now the following: The Buffalo 11Mbps Flat Wireless PCMCIA Card (WLI-PCM-L11GP) http://www.buffalotech.com/wireless/products/airstation/pcmciacard.php And The External Indoor Flatbed Antenna http://www.buffalotech.com/wireless/products/antenna/index.php I have found the combo to be fantastic. I leave the antenna on the dash of my car and as I travel around the twin cities, I stop by locations and check my mail and make downtime much more useful. Picked up both for around $100 including shipping. They have 54 Mbps cards too, but I was too cheap to bite on that right now. http://www.buffalotech.com/wireless/index.php Microcenter: You can get a SMC 11 Mbps PC card at Microcenter for under $10.00 this week. (no antenna jack - just a cheap card that so far has worked fine.) I've also picked up Wireless Routers there for around $30.00 the last two times I've been there. Belkin has worked great and has some nice features. Paul _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chrisc at Chris.Org Sat Jul 12 14:31:04 2003 From: chrisc at Chris.Org (Chris Cox) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] PC card Nic & antenna Suggestions? In-Reply-To: <00b201c348a4$8cd806b0$6600a8c0@t20> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Paul Gilbertson wrote: > Microcenter: > You can get a SMC 11 Mbps PC card at Microcenter for under $10.00 this > week. (no antenna jack - just a cheap card that so far has worked fine.) > I've also picked up Wireless Routers there for around $30.00 the last > two times I've been there. Belkin has worked great and has some nice > features. Are these Prism2 cards, and compatible with hostap? -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jul 12 15:30:08 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] PC card Nic & antenna Suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <00b201c348a4$8cd806b0$6600a8c0@t20> Message-ID: <20030712203008.GF5777@autonomous.tv> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 02:31:04PM -0500, Chris Cox wrote: >On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Paul Gilbertson wrote: >> Microcenter: >> You can get a SMC 11 Mbps PC card at Microcenter for under $10.00 this >> week. (no antenna jack - just a cheap card that so far has worked fine.) >> I've also picked up Wireless Routers there for around $30.00 the last >> two times I've been there. Belkin has worked great and has some nice >> features. > >Are these Prism2 cards, and compatible with hostap? From what I can tell it is an ADMTEK and has been testing to work under linux. I did a little research and found these links. http://ibg.networkcomputing.com/ibg/ProductInfo?product_id=44365 http://www.admtek.com.tw/products/ADM8211.htm http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.html#ADMtek I would say, for that price, grab at least one. I suspect it will work for you. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030712/bc83dcd6/attachment.pgp From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Jul 12 15:31:31 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:46 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless In-Reply-To: <000201c31fbf$5d8f68c0$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: MessageHope it works out for you! I'd really like to have open wireless access at places near there and am a biker (BMW) so might even shop for stuff at your store occasionally. I often meet folks at Einsteins' and Border's on the corner. Covering Einstein's patio shouldn't bee too hard from where you are. I'd try other places if there are some nearer to your store.. just haven't looked there lately. Chuck (recovering from a disk crash that took out my Linux, etc) -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Parts Manager Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:35 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless Greetings, I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class Service. I have been thinking of putting together some kind of Wireless Network. I have a Compaq Prolient 3000 Server just sitting here collecting Dust. It currently has no OS installed. PII 333 512mg RAM & two 9GB HD's. Anyone know how to put this to good use ? Windows NT Server or Linux ? I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with my Bandwidth. I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. Any Ideas would be appreciated. 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Have a nice day Michael Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Sun Jul 13 23:18:29 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park update. Message-ID: <003301c349be$faa3f990$7501a8c0@az.local> Further development on the Loring Park project was conducted today, using Linksys WET11 and D-Link DWL-900AP+ equipment. This final configuration will translate RF signals from channel 11 to channel 2 (or some other channel) will relay data from Paw (Node 415) to all remote nodes through out the park area. Relay Configuration: Internet--->Gateway Node--->Relay Bridge--->Access Point--->End User. 1. Gateway Node will have a DHCP and captive portal, and will transmit on channel 11. 2. Gateway Node will link to Relay Bridge using infrastructure mode. 3. Relay Bridge will connect to Access Point by a crossover ethernet cable. 4. Access Point will relay DHCP and captive portal information to End User. We started out trying 2 WET11's linked together. Andy could receive a DHCP lease and browse the Internet with his Windows 98 laptop. Neal's PowerBook was not able to connect to the Access Point and therefore was not able to browse the Internet. We did not have one Relay Bridge units in an ideal location so there may have been a signal strength problem with the Gateway Node, causing the PowerBook's inability to negotiate a dhcp lease. We gave up and moved to the D-Links. The D-Links are very functional access points. The can act as a client, a bridge, or an access point that sends out DHCP leases. We configured the WET11 as a Bridge and the DWL-900AP+ as an Access Point. Both laptops were able to connect to the 900AP+ but were not getting DHCP leases from the Gateway Node. It appeared that the D-Links would talk to each other but not to the Host Access Point. Since we were able to connect to the D-Link Access Point we swapped the D-Link unit on the gateway side with a Linksys WET11. This was successful: we were able to negotiate DHCP leases and connect to the internet. A propagation test was conducted, but it was agreed that coverage would improve once the sites and antennas were in place. Andrew _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jul 14 08:29:46 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Chuck Cole wrote: > The Dell Trumobile 1150 cards are re-branded Lucent/Agere Orinoco cards. > These are more economical than true Orinoco cards on eBay, have the same > antenna connectors. The Dell 1150 , and use the same software - but not the > same software as the current brand-owner of Orinoco, Proxim. I have a Dell > and like it. Jeff Lehman and I can't tell the difference between my Dell > and his Orinoco. Just try upgrading the firmware on the TrueMobile. Then you can tell. :) Seriously, though, that's the only difference I've noticed. It doesn't seem to be able to take regular Orinoco firmware, only TrueMobile-specific versions. But, if you have new enough drivers, it shouldn't matter much. Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jul 14 13:22:11 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: <001801c3497e$a25c70e0$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> References: <001801c3497e$a25c70e0$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> Message-ID: <20030714182211.GG5777@autonomous.tv> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 03:37:52PM -0500, Michael P. Kassner wrote: >Hello, > >Just thought you might be interested in this piece of equipment. It sure >will save boot time and wondering if you have a hotspot or not. It is on the >net already, but I have not seen a supplier that has had any stock it is >going for about $22. > >http://www.kensington.com/html/3720.html Thanks, I'll stick to my software based 'sniffers'. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(ie: I like using kismet becase) It has a essentially condensending tone making others feel like not using 'software-based' 'sniffers' isn't nearly as 31337. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jul 14 14:16:34 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: References: <20030714182211.GG5777@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030714191634.GH5777@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Spencer Butler wrote: > >> >http://www.kensington.com/html/3720.html >> Thanks, I'll stick to my software based 'sniffers'. > >Worthless email of the year award. Thank you for you kind words. > >Not only is it not actually adding any content to the thread. (ie: I like >using kismet becase) It has a essentially condensending tone making >others feel like not using 'software-based' 'sniffers' isn't nearly as >31337. It sounds to me as if you are the one with the problem. You are the one that interjected the 'condensending tone' into the post. I like running Kismet because it is quite possible the best 802.11* sniffer available. Kismet shows alot of information on not only the AP's that it finds but also on nodes that are connected to it. I like to run MacStumbler because it doesn't destroy my airport drivers. I am able to run MacStumbler and use my airport for connectivity at the same time. I like to run KisMAC because it has a really nice GUI front-end and has made some great improvements in its functionality in the past few months. KisMAC is not as mature as Kismet, but it certainly an excellent tool. As a related note, I recently (this weekend), compiled kismet on my TiBook laptop running Mac OS 10.3. There are still some driver (loading and unloading) issues that need to be resolved, but I am glad to see Kismet with Mac OS X support. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Spencer Butler Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:17 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: WiFi Finder On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Spencer Butler wrote: > >> >http://www.kensington.com/html/3720.html >> Thanks, I'll stick to my software based 'sniffers'. > >Worthless email of the year award. Thank you for you kind words. > >Not only is it not actually adding any content to the thread. (ie: I like >using kismet becase) It has a essentially condensending tone making >others feel like not using 'software-based' 'sniffers' isn't nearly as >31337. It sounds to me as if you are the one with the problem. You are the one that interjected the 'condensending tone' into the post. I like running Kismet because it is quite possible the best 802.11* sniffer available. Kismet shows alot of information on not only the AP's that it finds but also on nodes that are connected to it. I like to run MacStumbler because it doesn't destroy my airport drivers. I am able to run MacStumbler and use my airport for connectivity at the same time. I like to run KisMAC because it has a really nice GUI front-end and has made some great improvements in its functionality in the past few months. KisMAC is not as mature as Kismet, but it certainly an excellent tool. As a related note, I recently (this weekend), compiled kismet on my TiBook laptop running Mac OS 10.3. There are still some driver (loading and unloading) issues that need to be resolved, but I am glad to see Kismet with Mac OS X support. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jul 14 14:29:44 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: References: <20030714191634.GH5777@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030714192944.GI5777@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 02:23:17PM -0500, William Titler wrote: >I ate a sandwich this weekend while typing on my dell 7500 laptop. > >Just thought I would try to top the spam I got from Spencer. spam? I am afraid I don't follow you. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030714/e2b0a775/attachment.pgp From titlerw at mindspring.com Mon Jul 14 14:38:31 2003 From: titlerw at mindspring.com (William Titler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: <20030714192944.GI5777@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: Spencer, useless email like yours and mine = SPAM! So please don't let us know about your life if it does not add information to the thread, other than to tell us a useless fact about what you do. Bill William Titler 612-823-4300 titlerw@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Spencer Butler Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:30 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: WiFi Finder On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 02:23:17PM -0500, William Titler wrote: >I ate a sandwich this weekend while typing on my dell 7500 laptop. > >Just thought I would try to top the spam I got from Spencer. spam? I am afraid I don't follow you. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From MikeW at pelicangroup.com Mon Jul 14 15:50:33 2003 From: MikeW at pelicangroup.com (Winters, Mike (Pelican Group)) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Consulting Opportunities Message-ID: We are Symetriq, a professional service firm that implements and secures mission critical wireless LANS in enterprise organizations. We are looking to hire experienced consultants who can perform wireless site surveys and install wLANS. Experience working in supermarkets and distribution centers is a plus. If your organization has members who feel they are interested and qualify, please send resume and contact information to michaelw@symetriq.com. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030714/820d59d7/attachment.html From efk at bitstream.net Tue Jul 15 10:15:43 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (Eric Humphries) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: <20030714182211.GG5777@autonomous.tv> References: <001801c3497e$a25c70e0$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> <20030714182211.GG5777@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030715151542.GA8221@bitstream.net> On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 01:22:11PM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > >http://www.kensington.com/html/3720.html > Thanks, I'll stick to my software based 'sniffers'. I dont think you actually realized the usefulness of this product. The whole idea is taking this tool and doing a quick check to see if there is hotspot without booting your laptop up and throwing your interface into promiscous mode. -- Eric Humphries _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From josh at tschidanet.com Tue Jul 15 10:29:57 2003 From: josh at tschidanet.com (Joshua Tschida) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: <001801c3497e$a25c70e0$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> References: <001801c3497e$a25c70e0$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> Message-ID: <3F141DF5.1040703@tschidanet.com> Michael P. Kassner wrote: >Hello, > >Just thought you might be interested in this piece of equipment. It sure >will save boot time and wondering if you have a hotspot or not. It is on the >net already, but I have not seen a supplier that has had any stock it is >going for about $22. > >http://www.kensington.com/html/3720.html > >The PR blurb states it is supposed to recognize and distinguish WiFi from >other equipment as well. > >Have a nice day > >Michael Kassner >MKassner Net/k0pbx > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > Excellent product, and $22 is really cheap considering a wireless card for a computer is at least $40 for a cheap one. I wonder if the 200ft range that is advertised causes any problems. If I were trying to locate a hotspot near my home or while walking down the street, 200ft just isn't very far... Maybe an antenna can be added? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 10:39:58 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WiFi Finder In-Reply-To: <3F141DF5.1040703@tschidanet.com> Message-ID: <20030715153958.34703.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Seems to me that would work well for a medium sized business looking for unauthorized or open AP's on their premesis. Rather than spending a lot for a handheld with a wireless card, you can spend $22, locate vulnerabilities, and then if need be carry a laptop or even lug a desktop to the general area to figure out if there's a problem. > Excellent product, and $22 is really cheap considering a wireless > card > for a computer is at least $40 for a cheap one. I wonder if the > 200ft > range that is advertised causes any problems. If I were trying to > locate a hotspot near my home or while walking down the street, 200ft > > just isn't very far... Maybe an antenna can be added? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 20:03:47 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the Dell (made by Lucent) takes Lucent stuff but not the stuff from the new Orinoco re-branding house "Proxim". Tried mopst options a few months back and I think that the result showed Lucent OK, but Proxim's Orinoco a no go. Dell was OK but harder to access. I had a major crash since then, so no good way to check. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On > Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:30 AM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Nic Suggestions? > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Chuck Cole wrote: > > The Dell Trumobile 1150 cards are re-branded Lucent/Agere Orinoco cards. > > These are more economical than true Orinoco cards on eBay, have the same > > antenna connectors. The Dell 1150 , and use the same software > - but not the > > same software as the current brand-owner of Orinoco, Proxim. I > have a Dell > > and like it. Jeff Lehman and I can't tell the difference > between my Dell > > and his Orinoco. > > Just try upgrading the firmware on the TrueMobile. Then you can tell. :) > Seriously, though, that's the only difference I've noticed. It doesn't > seem to be able to take regular Orinoco firmware, only > TrueMobile-specific > versions. But, if you have new enough drivers, it shouldn't matter much. > > Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dave at davedash.com Wed Jul 16 19:24:53 2003 From: dave at davedash.com (Dave Dash) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Linux card? Message-ID: <16022FEA-B7ED-11D7-8751-00039397F470@davedash.com> What is a good cheap linux 802.11b card? Is there a good online resources for Linux and Wifi, like Hardware compatibility lists? Software listings, etc? Thanks, -dd _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Wed Jul 16 20:58:14 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Linux card? In-Reply-To: <16022FEA-B7ED-11D7-8751-00039397F470@davedash.com> Message-ID: <000201c34c06$e2a4c5f0$7501a8c0@az.local> > What is a good cheap linux 802.11b card? > > Is there a good online resources for Linux and Wifi, like Hardware > compatibility lists? Software listings, etc? /tcwug-list Here is the adapter list I've been using. http://seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison Andrew _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 16 21:31:31 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Linux card? In-Reply-To: <16022FEA-B7ED-11D7-8751-00039397F470@davedash.com> References: <16022FEA-B7ED-11D7-8751-00039397F470@davedash.com> Message-ID: <1058409091.19900.1135.camel@3po> On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:24, Dave Dash wrote: > What is a good cheap linux 802.11b card? > > Is there a good online resources for Linux and Wifi, like Hardware > compatibility lists? Software listings, etc? This page is fairly in-depth about the various compatible devices: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.html Just be careful about some of the cards, since newer versions may have the same model number but different chipsets (basically totally different cards, just sold in the same box). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Diagonally parked in a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ parallel universe. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which raises the question: how do these two engines compare to each other in performance? Dan Furmin shows you the results of his performance comparison. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2003/07/14/xsltperf.html --------------------- XML --------------------- ***An XML Fragment Reader Despite many potential uses of XML using fragments of XML text, not complete documents, XML parsers require complete documents to do their jobs properly. This article develops an XML fragment reading class for Java. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/07/16/fragmentreader.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***In Sync with CVS Apple's Backup and iSync applications are great for Dot-Mac subscribers, but some folks prefer to "roll their own" when synchronizing data among machines. The open source tool, CVS, is a good solution for "do it yourself" types. James Duncan Davidson shows you how to set it up. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/07/15/cvs.html?CMP= Until next time-- Marsee From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jul 20 21:48:44 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:48 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia : oreilly & associates newsletter In-Reply-To: <20030721013541.GA20458@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030720222508.GB64373@botwerks.org> <20030721013541.GA20458@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030721024844.GC64373@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Jul 20, 2003), Chad Walstrom was madly tapping out: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 05:25:08PM -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > > latest oreilly and associates newsletter, attached. > > In this day and age where people can choose to subscribe to > e-newsletters themselves, why would you think it's OK to spam the > list with such crap? If there's really anything of interest within > the contents of said newsletter, why not paraphrase the important > points and give us references and links to the real info? > first off - the newsletter is specifically available for user groups and i've been forwarding these to the group since they do apprise folks of specials and such that aren't necessarily available to the general public. this is one of those things that many user groups do. sometimes there's interesting stuff in there, sometimes there isn't. secondly - i've been doing this for quite some time (albeit not as consistently as would be warranted) and i prefix it w/"administravia" if you don't like it you can quickly skip past it. thirdly - i don't presume to know what folks are interested in. i'm not an editor. i just signed the user group up for the ORA offering and i've been endeavoring to keep the information flowing. if there are folks that want to write book reviews and are interested in getting their mitts on review copies, etc. i'll happily broker the arrangement. i think i've been more than accomodating regarding this in the past and have furnished a number of books for folks. i'm sorry that your netiquette sensitivities have been offended but i'll err on the side of information exchange. i lack the time to grok these documents and evaluate the contents for the group in general and assume that folks are intelligent enough to do with this as they see fit. if you're signing up for the job of editor, let me know and i'll forward these to you to for dissection as necessary. if not, kwitcherbitchin' and use the delete key. ;-) -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking for the following skills/experiences: - Architecture design and application design experience with Wireless application gateways, especially Oracle's and IBM Websphere WAG. - Experience in integrating a WAG with java objects using WebLogic. - Experience in designing/developing/ thin client applications using WML (WAP Markup Language) - Experience with cellular wireless data networks, i.e. they have deployed a wireless application on a cellular wireless data network. - If possible, experience with Clarify V10 and higher. - Experience in the services industry. Behavior Characteristics: Strong self-starter; Navigates complex organizations; Presents recommendations and alternatives to management; Effective risk analysis and mitigation; Understands limits and develops contingencies required when dealing with immature technologies. This is a 3-6 months project in MN and my rate is BEST market competitive rate. You must supply us with this completed matrix - So you help us to help you!! Please complete and copy/paste this completed skills-matrix to me with your response: Total IT exp: Total Architecture design exp: Total Application design exp: Total Wireless Application Gateways exp: Total Oracle exp: Total IBM Websphere WAG exp: Total Integrating a WAG with java objects using WebLogic exp: Total designing/developing/thin client applications using WML (WAP Markup Language) exp: Total cellular wireless data networks exp: Total Clarify V10 and higher exp: Total Services Industry exp: What percentage of a fit are you, based on the above job description?: Are the above skills reflected in your resume? If not, ensure you send me an updated resume - it's surprising how many resumes we receive that are not in-sync with the skills listed above!!! Full name: Hourly Rate: (Do not say 'Open' or 'Market Rate' - I need a $ Value!!!) Do you have a corporation?: Day Tel# Eve Tel# Cell number: Availability: Your current City / State: If you qualify for this position, are available immediately and are interested, please send your resume, rate and contact information to mailto:ResumeCGT@cgt-consult.com?subject=Wireless-Appl-Architect-For-MN Please ensure you complete and copy/paste the above completed matrix with your response. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know a lot of you guys buy equipment off of the internet, but I would like to try and find a local sale in the event it doesn't work and I can make a quick return. Next matter. I've found software off of Samsung's website for EasyGPRS that looks like it just does phonebook sync and ringtone and pictures uploads to the phone. Can it also handle internet connection when attached to a laptop or do I need other software. Or, what kind of tricks does everyone know to get this to work. Sorry for the long post, but I'm a newbie in terms of cell phones and laptop connections. Also, I didn't think it would be such a problem to find a data cable that worked between my phone and my laptop. Dank im voraus _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 22 23:08:06 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile and T-Zones In-Reply-To: <003001c350ce$98ce7c60$6701a8c0@entertainment> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Brian Krebs wrote: > off of the internet, but I would like to try and find a local sale in the > event it doesn't work and I can make a quick return. Expansys can import them from their UK store for you. http://www.expansys.us/product.asp?code=MA-8220&asource=V200 Otherwise, the GPRS stuff is usually a serial connection to a 'device' that speaks AT command set. You usually fire off a series of commands to start a PPP connection.. This site can help you configure your phone: http://us.t-mobile.mywds.com/ -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nlongtin at arcstone.com Wed Jul 23 14:56:00 2003 From: nlongtin at arcstone.com (Nicholas J Longtin) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: Uptown.... (Tom O'Neill) In-Reply-To: <20030723170002.31476.23194.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: I am at 39th and Lyndale and have a 1MB DSL and 12 DBI Omni. You probably can't get a signal from me but I would be interested in doing something with you to cover all of the area in between us. Let me know if your interested. Nicholas J Longtin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hey everyone, I am moving to uptown in a week. I am very interested in sharing some = internet while I wait for a cable modem provider to hook me up. After = that time I want to get started sharing my connection to the = neighborhood. What can I do to get started? Is there a hotspot in my = area that I can use? Thanks!! TOM _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dhswanson at attbi.com Wed Jul 23 20:06:01 2003 From: dhswanson at attbi.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi Message-ID: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Ok all, I cheerfully located an 802.11 card for my sisters think-book, only to find out she now has an I-book. Where do I go for the best wifi adaptor for I book/apple? Who wants a SMC card new? - I all ready sent in the rebate, i.ts from microcenter. $10. I'm in the Roseville area. 612 418 8957 cell. Thanks David S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030723/307ec7a2/attachment.html From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jul 23 22:38:44 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:49 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi In-Reply-To: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> References: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: <20030724033844.GA18321@botwerks.org> there's really only one wifi adaptor that you can put into an iBook. the airport adaptor. [1] when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003), David Swanson was madly tapping out: > Ok all, > I cheerfully located an 802.11 card for my sisters think-book, only > to find out she now has an I-book. Where do I go for the best wifi > adaptor for I book/apple? Who wants a SMC card new? - I all ready > sent in the rebate, i.ts from microcenter. $10. I'm in the > Roseville area. 612 418 8957 cell. Thanks David S references ---------- [1] http://www.apple.com/airport/specs.html -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 24 07:45:00 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi In-Reply-To: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> References: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: <1059050699.1454.963.camel@3po> On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 20:06, David Swanson wrote: > Ok all, > > I cheerfully located an 802.11 card for my sisters think-book, only to > find out she now has an I-book. Where do I go for the best wifi > adaptor for I book/apple? I know that there's a physical limitation on size on some (all?) iBooks (unless there's an externally-accessible PC Card slot). If the antenna thing on the end of the card is removable, you should be okay (though I'm not sure what sort of connector goes on the end of the card). Also, I believe that Apple's Airport card is the only one that has software support out-of-the-box. However, some people have written drivers for Prism 2/etc., Orinoco, and other cards. http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/ http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,55742,00.html You could also get a USB adapter, but I don't know how well they're supported. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I give advice worth the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ price -- free! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You probably can't get a signal from me but I would be interested in doing something with you to cover all of the area in between us. Let me know if your interested. Nicholas J Longtin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hey everyone, I am moving to uptown in a week. I am very interested in sharing some = internet while I wait for a cable modem provider to hook me up. After = that time I want to get started sharing my connection to the = neighborhood. What can I do to get started? Is there a hotspot in my = area that I can use? Thanks!! TOM _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From marcusgroup at hotmail.com Thu Jul 24 11:20:41 2003 From: marcusgroup at hotmail.com (Marcus Group) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi References: <04d601c35180$909c9330$6401a8c0@stratlap2> Message-ID: Hi, Give me a call so we can arrange for a pick up of the card. 612-269-2226 Peter Simpson ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ellsworth To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Cc: Peter Simpson (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi David, I'll take the card. You can arrange with my partner, Pete Simpson, to get it to us. Thanks. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of David Swanson Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:06 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi Ok all, I cheerfully located an 802.11 card for my sisters think-book, only to find out she now has an I-book. Where do I go for the best wifi adaptor for I book/apple? Who wants a SMC card new? - I all ready sent in the rebate, i.ts from microcenter. $10. I'm in the Roseville area. 612 418 8957 cell. Thanks David S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030724/49eae0dc/attachment.html From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Wed Jul 23 20:11:51 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi In-Reply-To: <000001c3517f$c0111fb0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: <04d601c35180$909c9330$6401a8c0@stratlap2> David, I'll take the card. You can arrange with my partner, Pete Simpson, to get it to us. Thanks. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of David Swanson Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:06 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Ibook wifi Ok all, I cheerfully located an 802.11 card for my sisters think-book, only to find out she now has an I-book. Where do I go for the best wifi adaptor for I book/apple? Who wants a SMC card new? - I all ready sent in the rebate, i.ts from microcenter. $10. I'm in the Roseville area. 612 418 8957 cell. Thanks David S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030723/683d365f/attachment.htm From foust at thefoust.com Tue Jul 29 09:41:40 2003 From: foust at thefoust.com (foust@thefoust.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless ISP in TC? Message-ID: <20030729074140.28983.h018.c000.wm@mail.thefoust.com.criticalpath.net> I am looking for a wireless ISP in the Minneapolis area that is a roaming type - not just hotspots in buildings etc. I checked with Ricochet(www.ricochet.com) and Monet Mobile (www.monetmobile.com) (the type of service I am looking for). Neither have Mpls. listed as a coverage area. Anyone know of a service like these that works in Mpls? I didn't want to go with Sprint or Tmobile since they require you to have your cel phone with them also and charge by the minute. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, N.L. Foust _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jul 29 10:57:44 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: wireless ISP in TC? In-Reply-To: <20030729074140.28983.h018.c000.wm@mail.thefoust.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 foust@thefoust.com wrote: > I didn't want to go with Sprint or Tmobile since they > require you to have your cel phone with them also and > charge by the minute. T-Mobile is $30/month flat rate unlimited, no phone required. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 29 11:18:18 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless ISP in TC? In-Reply-To: <20030729074140.28983.h018.c000.wm@mail.thefoust.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, foust@thefoust.com wrote: > I didn't want to go with Sprint or Tmobile since they require you to > have your cel phone with them also and charge by the minute. Well, with either service, you can purchase a PCMCIA card with an unlimited data service plan. With T-Mobile, it'll run ~$30/mo; with Sprint, around $100/mo. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 11:34:31 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless ISP in TC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030729163431.29517.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know what speed you can reasonably expect from those T-Mobile and Sprint wireless services? --- Nate Carlson wrote: > Well, with either service, you can purchase a PCMCIA card with an > unlimited data service plan. With T-Mobile, it'll run ~$30/mo; with > Sprint, around $100/mo. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 29 12:52:17 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless ISP in TC? In-Reply-To: <20030729163431.29517.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Dave W. wrote: > Does anyone know what speed you can reasonably expect from those > T-Mobile and Sprint wireless services? Haven't used T-Mobile myself; Sprint, I usually get ~300ms latency (more if I'm doing something on the link), and downloads from 7-12kbytes/sec (feels about like an ISDN line, except for the latency.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Jul 29 13:15:51 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:50 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless ISP in TC? In-Reply-To: References: <20030729163431.29517.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030729181551.GT21442@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:52:17PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Dave W. wrote: >> Does anyone know what speed you can reasonably expect from those >> T-Mobile and Sprint wireless services? > >Haven't used T-Mobile myself; Sprint, I usually get ~300ms latency (more >if I'm doing something on the link), and downloads from 7-12kbytes/sec >(feels about like an ISDN line, except for the latency.) > That is pretty much what I see with my sprint link as well. I have used this connection at driving speeds of > 100mph and not had any network disturbance. (no, I was not driving :)) I love my sprint connection. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030729/2d793929/attachment.pgp