Regarding the assertion that companies don't want to know about security vulnerabilities: Thirty-one percent of executives surveyed by Jupiter Research cited low network security as the number one barrier to deployment of WLANs, their top concern centering on rogue users accessing the corporate network from outside the corporation. It would seem that at least some companies are worried about wireless security. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth at stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Mike Ellsworth Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:22 AM To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Re: Why secure your WLAN? "Scary enough, the CERT BOF at usenix 2001 the #1 thing that scared a few of the guys there was electricity control computer networks and their exposure to the internet. (from their own consulting experience)" What's even scarier is that Windows is making inroads in the SCADA space! That's worse than putting it in charge of a luxury automobile (BMW 745)! Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth at stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com www.TheWiFiGuys.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:43 PM To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Why secure your WLAN? On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 16:55, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > "IT WORKS FINE FOR ME, AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS" Thats usually a few minutes before their ISP disconnects them because their machine is running (a legitmately or worm installed) wide open winproxy. :) The problem being, is that abuse will eventually catch up to these, and those people will bear mroe trouble than its worth. Someday, however, I expect people to figure it out, not people evangalizing to non-techies about it. I doubt they care, yet. It was funny to see the speculation on /. about the worm causing the power outage today. Someday there will be an emergency caused by a widespread security issue that people end up ignoring, and they will start to learn why its important to care. Scary enough, the CERT BOF at usenix 2001 the #1 thing that scared a few of the guys there was electricity control computer networks and their exposure to the internet. (from their own consulting experience) Of course, this was 'pre 9/11', but yikes. Thanks! -- Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list