On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 02:39:12AM -0500, mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu wrote: >Hey Chuck- > >I see your side here. But consider one thing here: The ham club has been >around since 1919. We have a number of alumni members that keep the club >going in lean student-enrollment years. The Ham club's 83 years in >existance sorta daunts the 2+ years of TC-WUG. =) FYI. We are just approaching the 1 year mark :) > >Regards, >---Matthew Genelin--- > > >> I'm concerned however that an arrangement with the Gopher HAM Club may >> not be so good either: it may be more temporary than TCWUG may want. If >> equipment is given to the HAM club, it is theirs, not ours. If it's a >> student club, then there's nobody with continuity, and they could decide >> to limit usage or scrap out the equipment if there are no interested >> student leaders for WiFi that semester. Student enthusiasm is great, >> but usually peaks in the sophomore year and fades away afterwards. >> >> Chuck >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org]On >>> Behalf Of steve ulrich >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:02 AM >>> To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org >>> Cc: 'SpencerUnderground '; 'Renee Ladd '; 'W Braun ' >>> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Install Moos [hurdle] >>> >>> >>> >>> setting aside the issues associated with the terms of the lease and >>> such. i would like to applaud arnan for stepping up to the plate and >>> being willing to engage the ham club and tcwug in what i think is >>> ultimately a very generous offer. being pragmatic about things i >>> don't think that there's anything in the terms of the lease offered by >>> arnan that is draconian - this is standard lease stuff, which >>> includes holding the leasee responsible for the state of the goods >>> given that they don't really hold title to the gear in question. >>> >>> i don't think that it's fair for arnan to lease the gear (at zero >>> cost) and expect them to pay for the gear to be fixed if something >>> happens to it. >>> >>> unfortunately - i believe we've run into the the hurdle that i think >>> we all saw coming wrt a loose knit group of individuals having an >>> interest in a particular technology and no formal mechanisms to engage >>> organizations (read: businesses) that would like to do something good, >>> like arnan. >>> >>> despite the best held intentions of the parties involved, there are >>> times when the needs of both cannot be addressed. in all fairness i >>> doubt we (tcwug specifically) are in a position to engage anybody in >>> such a dialog until we formalize (legally) our organization. >>> >>> as an aside - it would likely behoove us (tcwug) to come to a good >>> working arrangement with the gopher radio club to address these >>> matters in the best (overlapping) interests of the 2 groups. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list at tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list at tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer at autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20021013/622acaa3/attachment.pgp