> Or, you could go with my new favorite toy, the NetScreen 5xp firewall. didn't you once say there was a 10-user limit on that thing, tho? even a small office could exceed that, depending on how you reckon '10 users'. (whether it's per-source-ip [in which case, how do they deal with terminal servers?], or per-connection). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com