all- here are the notes from the meeting to the best of my recollection, errors and omissions are quite possible and if i did miss something or get something wrong (my apologies) please let me know and update the group. points of administravia ----------------------- - prior to the meeting i'd sent out some newsletters from oreilly and associates. of note was a drawing, to be entered into a final drawing for a pass to the mac os x conference in santa clara sometime in september. hats were not readily available and we weren't in a position to write names on slips of paper for a drawing out of another recepticle. i offered to cull a list of names from the postings and use a program to slurp a random name from the listing. using this as the submission. lacking any thoughts otherwise i opted to go this route. note: as of this writing our candidate submittee is matthew genelin. - list server discussion - there was some brief discussion regarding the current status of the mailing list server and the duress that it appears to be under. some suggestions to improve the performance of the list server were made and a brief update on the status of the server was given by carl wilhelm soderstrom. note: as of this writing there has been some conversation regarding the status of the server and implementing some performance enhancing tweaks to the operation of the lists. confirmation of whether or not these tweaks would be utilized has not been achieved but the issue can be addressed as necessary. new items --------- 1 - ben kochie and matthew genelin from the university of minnesota have been researching the options available to the group utilizing moos tower at the university of minnesota. the u of m's ham club is shrinking in numbers - graduating away and there is a fair amount of synergy between tcwug and the u amateur radio group. this set off a considerable amount of discussion regarding the use of the potential moos tower node to build out to other locations in a point to point fashion. there are several other locations which may be candidates for connections to this node location. installation of the moos tower node will require doing some tests to determine the feasibility and impact of doing such an installation. a study to determine the range and locations accessible to the moos tower location will be required as well. this will help to determine the optimum antenna type for the location as well as determine potential candidate locations. (see todos at the bottom of these notes) additionally, there was some discussion regarding adding wireless connectivity to the loring area and the establishment of ptp links between some of the south minneapolis nodes. 2 - the moos tower discussion sparked a lively discussion regarding the types of network buildouts that are possible and where we were with the hotspot vs. overlay debate. if i might glibly summarize ... the discussion is pretty much moot. there's a tremendous amount of interest in overlay in much the same fashion as seattle wireless and personaltelco. however, the two models are very complimentary. additionally, the group will want to work to help people setup hotspots and to augment connectivity to accessible hotspots via the overlay network. this sparked a discussion of several different outreach type programs that the group would want to support. those discussed include: (in the spirit of the installfests i've "fested" all of these) - securefest - a primer on basic setup and configuration of WEP on common acess points. - firewallfest - a primer for the setup and configuration of basic firewalls for home networks and wireless access points. - rebelfest - a primer on how to engage in civil disobedience using tunneling protocols to an access concentrator to obviate AUPs. 3 - carl brought up the use of some project tracking software to log the activity that's being given to the different projects and let people know what needs to be done and where help would be needed. 4 - speakers for the next meetings. there's an interest in having some more formalized discussions regarding widely varied topics of relevance to wireless technology. note: as of this writing i've been working with various individuals to come up with a range of topics for discussion at the next few meetings, ranging from wardriving primers, to radio basics and geographic positioning tools. i'll be working to get a list of these sessions put together. if folks are really interested in some of these topics we can see about holding some class type sessions independently of our usual monthly meetings. 5 - usernames for maps.tcwug.org - matthew hallacy has reminded us to please contact him to get your authentication squared away for managing your node entries on the maps.tcwug.org server. this will enable you to control the status of your node w/i the database and limit the visibility of information you're not cool with sharing. ------------------------------------------------------------------- - misc. items referenced during the course of the meeting which - - could very well turn into field trips / projects for interested - - parties or are just neat. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 - a field trip to moos tower to determine physical position and to engage in a study of the coverage that can be achieved by placing a node on moos tower. 2 - project management software (bugzilla / jitterbug / twig) 3 - newbie documentation - creation of recommended hardware lists as tested and approved by local members. how-tos for some of the hotspot setup elements 4 - some notes from curt at the meeting regarding useful tools for mapping and understanding what's going on from a regulatory perspective. fcc part 15.247 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=15&SECTION=247&YEAR=2001&TYPE=TEXT - radio mobile deluxe - http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html - global mapper - http://www.globalmapper.com - ydi page - http://www.ydi.com/calc.php curt has also graciously offered to assist with coverage plots and path studies for the group as time permits. 5 - authentication and sharing - for folks that are interested in setting up hotspots creation of an authentication infrastructure would go a long ways towards helping folks from a cooperative perspective. -- steve ulrich sulrich at botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC