From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 13:15:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] GtkSkan works with AiroNet! Message-ID: GtkSkan from http://sourceforge.net/projects/wavelan-tools/ works fine with my AiroNet AIR-PCM342 card. Rock on! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 11:47:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Locations? Message-ID: Where are all of ya'll located? Got a pair of Linksys WAP11's coming; going to experiment with them as bridges. (Poor man's method). Want to see if anyone is in range of either my house or the office to try a link. :) If you prefer, feel free to e-mail me privately (not CC the list).. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 11:47:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? Message-ID: Anyone know where we can get a free-to-use electronic topographical map of the cities? I like Jay's idea about putting a map of nodes/possible nodes up on the site, but a map would be oh-so-helpful.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 11:50:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] AiroNet with GtkSkan Message-ID: I figure some of you may be interested on how to get AiroNet cards working with GtkSkan, so I figured I'd post a mini-howto. :) 1) Download and compile gtkskan; available from http://sourceforge.net/projects/wavelan-tools 2) Disable the ESSID, Nickname, and Encryption on your Aironet card, ie: # iwconfig eth0 essid off nick off key off 3) Put your card into 'rfmon' mode, ie: # echo 'Mode: rfmon' > /proc/drivers/aironet/eth0/Config 4) Make sure your card is up, and in promisc: # ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up promisc 5) Start up gtkskan, and click 'Scan' That's it, folks! Using this method, I managed to snarf up 4 wireless networks on my way to work.. one at my house, one where someone's got a Linksys AP behind a cable modem, one of our neighbors here, and a junk laptop I have with a wireless card in it acting as an access point (even though it's not hooked up to anything on the other side.. it's good for testing.) Three of the networks were on Channel 6; one was on Channel 1. I know this works with the Cisco AiroNet AIR-PCM342; I will test with Bob's 352 when he gets in. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 12:28:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:44:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011002122718.H9713@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > Anyone know where we can get a free-to-use electronic topographical map of > the cities? > > I like Jay's idea about putting a map of nodes/possible nodes up on the > site, but a map would be oh-so-helpful.. > Use a GPS and send in the coords, put that into something like Delmore and overlay that with the city grid you can get (pay) from local extension office. Viola' -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 12:32:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <20011002122718.H9713@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Use a GPS and send in the coords, put that into something like Delmore and > overlay that with the city grid you can get (pay) from local extension office. > > Viola' Are the city grids topo? How much does that stuff cost? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 12:35:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FYI - WAP11 pricing Message-ID: If you're gonna go out and buy a Linksys WAP11 for whatever reason, buy.com has them for $150. Cheapest I could find them anywhere else is $180. Considering they are selling on Ebay for $160 or so used, that's a pretty good deal. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 13:28:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:31:16PM -0500 References: <20011002122718.H9713@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002132716.G18829@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Use a GPS and send in the coords, put that into something like Delmore and > > overlay that with the city grid you can get (pay) from local extension office. > > > > Viola' > > Are the city grids topo? They a generally known as survey maps and there is an official name, but I cannot remember it. I posted to the isp-wireless list awhile ago on how to do all of this. > How much does that stuff cost? Varys. I know you can get maps like this for free from the gov't, but they are in some format that needs to be converted. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 13:51:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <20011002132716.G18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Are the city grids topo? You could use the Minnesota gazateer, I think it's like $15 and covers the whole state but it's a very nice set of topo maps with decently precise coords. You could probably guess it pretty close if you had GPS numbers, the maps are zoomed in pretty tight so you'd only be off by a few feet if you tried to measure it with a ruler. Hmmm... I could run next door and see if the Extension services here sells them and how much. -Brian From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 13:53:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:50:50PM -0500 References: <20011002132716.G18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002135256.A10880@real-time.com> > Hmmm... I could run next door and see if the Extension services here sells > them and how much. go for it. so we at least have an idea what they cost. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 14:10:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <20011002135256.A10880@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > go for it. so we at least have an idea what they cost. 50 feet, 2 offices, and 1 starlight mint later I've been informed that city hall will be happy to sell me a nice map of the city of Buffalo. I have no idea how much, since I think cost would be irrelevant. You'd have to check with Eden Prarie city hall or wherever and see what each city charges. I can talk to the survey office a little later today and see how much the nice sectional county maps cost, that's more uniform. Most county offices confer with each other to make sure their prices are reasonable. You're probably cheaper with the Gazateer though... I doubt the survey office will sell you anything for <$15. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 14:17:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:09:36PM -0500 References: <20011002135256.A10880@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002211612.A30076@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:09:36PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > go for it. so we at least have an idea what they cost. > > 50 feet, 2 offices, and 1 starlight mint later I've been informed that > city hall will be happy to sell me a nice map of the city of Buffalo. I > have no idea how much, since I think cost would be irrelevant. You'd have > to check with Eden Prarie city hall or wherever and see what each city > charges. > > I can talk to the survey office a little later today and see how much the > nice sectional county maps cost, that's more uniform. Most county offices > confer with each other to make sure their prices are reasonable. You're > probably cheaper with the Gazateer though... I doubt the survey office > will sell you anything for <$15. I thought we were looking for some digitalized maps or am I not getting something here? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 14:25:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <20011002211612.A30076@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > I thought we were looking for some digitalized maps or am I not getting > something here? Digitized maps are a lot trickier to get your hands on. Most mapping type stuff is done by county surveyor offices so that's probably where to start, otherwise the US Geological Survey department may have more info (no URL for them). -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 14:36:05 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM -0500 References: <20011002211612.A30076@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011002213537.B30076@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > I thought we were looking for some digitalized maps or am I not getting > > something here? > > Digitized maps are a lot trickier to get your hands on. Most mapping > type stuff is done by county surveyor offices so that's probably where to > start, otherwise the US Geological Survey department may have more info > (no URL for them). Should we try contacting a place like mapquest? They might be willing to help (Of course for something in return) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 14:45:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <20011002213537.B30076@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Should we try contacting a place like mapquest? They might be willing to > help (Of course for something in return) Have you seen Mapquest lately? They've been overlaying arial photos on their maps. That may be an adavantage too. I've never been too thrilled with Mapquest's ability (or lack thereof) to find anything but I hope the photos straighten some things out for them. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 14:47:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:44:04PM -0500 References: <20011002213537.B30076@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011002214700.C30076@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:44:04PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > Should we try contacting a place like mapquest? They might be willing to > > help (Of course for something in return) > > Have you seen Mapquest lately? They've been overlaying arial photos on > their maps. That may be an adavantage too. I've never been too thrilled > with Mapquest's ability (or lack thereof) to find anything but I hope the > photos straighten some things out for them. I've always been able to find what I needed on it, but I haven't used it that much. But it would be better than any paper-map for sure. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 2 17:22:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Go to petsmart.com and type in your zipcode. The map that appears is what we want, only bigger and more detailed. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm fairly sure it's provided by mapquest. Then we need some friggin' lasers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:47 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? > > > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:44:04PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > Should we try contacting a place like mapquest? They might be > > > willing to help (Of course for something in return) > > > > Have you seen Mapquest lately? They've been overlaying > arial photos > > on their maps. That may be an adavantage too. I've never been too > > thrilled with Mapquest's ability (or lack thereof) to find anything > > but I hope the photos straighten some things out for them. > > I've always been able to find what I needed on it, but I > haven't used it that much. But it would be better than any > paper-map for sure. > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 2 17:40:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20010926s0003/1001_bar.html I still have to do a writeup on what me and some friends had figured out. It takes advantage of multiple connections to the internet so you go out the closest available connection, and implements security other than WEP since WEP is fairly hopelessly broken. Jay From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 20:45:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Detailed topo map of the Cities? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:21:15PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011003034454.G30076@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:21:15PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Go to petsmart.com and type in your zipcode. The map that appears is what > we want, only bigger and more detailed. I'm too lazy to check right now, > but I'm fairly sure it's provided by mapquest. It had better be from Mapquest, it has their copyright on it ;) Anyway, digging a little further I was able to find a few maps. This one seemed to be the best: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities/minneapolis.jpg But should we try to get one of the bigger online places to "sponsor" a map for tcwug? There's like mapblast,yahoo-maps, and mapquest I could think of. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 21:09:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:39:45PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011003040825.H30076@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:39:45PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20010926s0003/1001_bar.html > > I still have to do a writeup on what me and some friends had figured out. > It takes advantage of multiple connections to the internet so you go out the > closest available connection, and implements security other than WEP since > WEP is fairly hopelessly broken. Is it just me or does some of that story just sound a little to good to be true? 10 Mbit home connection on which he can just load 70-80 people's traffic onto for free? (I know he says he gets it for bartered services, but what is he doing that will get him this connection?) "* A web/mail/Usenet/IRC/bind 9.1 cluster running LVS (Linux Virtual Servers, www.lvs.org) on 5 rack 1U computers. I chose no-name rack units that have been sitting around idly in my lab. Each has 512 MB of RAM, 18-GB internal disk, and two NICs." - oh the horror of having 5 rack mount servers just sitting around. It might just be me, but I don't see this just happening. He's even saying electronics are expensive in Isreal, but a 10Mbit connection isn't? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 2 21:17:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet In-Reply-To: <20011003040825.H30076@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 04:08:25AM +0200 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011003040825.H30076@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011003041638.I30076@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 04:08:25AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:39:45PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20010926s0003/1001_bar.html > > > > I still have to do a writeup on what me and some friends had figured out. > > It takes advantage of multiple connections to the internet so you go out the > > closest available connection, and implements security other than WEP since > > WEP is fairly hopelessly broken. > > Is it just me or does some of that story just sound a little to good to > be true? > > 10 Mbit home connection on which he can just load 70-80 people's traffic > onto for free? (I know he says he gets it for bartered services, but > what is he doing that will get him this connection?) > > "* A web/mail/Usenet/IRC/bind 9.1 cluster running LVS (Linux Virtual > Servers, www.lvs.org) on 5 rack 1U computers. I chose no-name rack units > that have been sitting around idly in my lab. Each has 512 MB of RAM, > 18-GB internal disk, and two NICs." - oh the horror of having 5 rack > mount servers just sitting around. > > It might just be me, but I don't see this just happening. He's even > saying electronics are expensive in Isreal, but a 10Mbit connection > isn't? Btw, has a 10Mbit and is running his website (www.moelabs.com) of an adsl in Italy? $host www.moelabs.com www.moelabs.com A 212.41.207.16 19 01.72.adsl.mi.galactica.it (212.41.192.10) 139.673 ms 188.558 ms 141.002 ms 20 212-41-207-16.adsl.galactica.it (212.41.207.16) 198.868 ms 229.594 ms 233.830 ms He does however seem to be a "reviewer" of equipment from major manufactors of hardware, which might be why he has this kind of equipment. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 23:11:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I still have to do a writeup on what me and some friends had figured out. > It takes advantage of multiple connections to the internet so you go out the > closest available connection, and implements security other than WEP since > WEP is fairly hopelessly broken. What routing protocols, etc? I haven't figured out a good way to get Linux do to that without a BGP feed yet. :) IPSec tunnel, I hope? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 01:01:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: Re: [BAWUG] WiGLE / JiGLE] Message-ID: Interesting! This may be what we need. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Russell Nelson To: Bob Hagemann Cc: "wireless@lists.bawug.org" Subject: Re: [BAWUG] WiGLE / JiGLE Bob Hagemann writes: > A friend and I have been working on a website / Java client for doing > wireless station collection and mapping. We call it WiGLE for Wireless > Geographic Logging Engine. The Java client has been dubbed JiGLE. We are > currently focusing on the Chicago area, but the online portion is > location agnostic and the client can have new maps and coordinates > dropped in easily. > > For a screen shot of the current client, which can read as well as add > to the online database, check out: > > http://wigle.net/gpsopen/gps/GPSDB/map/ > > Up until now we've been using mapquest maps, but those carry copyright > and other restrictions. We wondered what options there are for free, > unrestricted maps (at the street level) that we can dump into the client. Here's the program I use with pygps. It hands you a map, and a world file. You have to give it the terraserver parameters from the URL. With a little bit of work, you could have it search for a latitude and longitude. #!/usr/bin/python import os, re, sys s = 12 t = 2 w = 2 x = 688 y = 5151 z = 17 if len(sys.argv) == 4: x = sys.argv [1] y = sys.argv [2] z = sys.argv [3] if len(sys.argv) == 7: x = sys.argv [1] y = sys.argv [2] z = sys.argv [3] s = sys.argv [4] t = sys.argv [5] w = sys.argv [6] place = "X=%s&Y=%s&Z=%s&S=%s&T=%s&W=%s" % (x,y,z,s,t,w) entry = os.popen("wget -O - 'http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/USGSDownload.asp?" + place + "'", "r") while 1: eline = entry.readline() if not eline: break found = re.search(r'"(USGSWorldFile.asp.*?)"', eline) if found: os.system("wget -O '" + place + "w' 'http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/" + found.group(1) + "'") found = re.search(r'"(http://.*?/download.ashx.*?)"', eline) if found: os.system("wget -O '" + place + "i' '" + found.group(1) + "'") -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | It's a crime, not an act 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | of war. For my take, see: Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | http://quaker.org/crime.html -- general wireless list, a bawug thing [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless From thomas at stderr.net Wed Oct 3 01:26:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: Re: [BAWUG] WiGLE / JiGLE] In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:55:36AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011003082545.L30076@io.stderr.net> Cool! The Java thing looks really neat! On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:55:36AM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > Interesting! > > This may be what we need. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:54:47 -0400 (EDT) > From: Russell Nelson > To: Bob Hagemann > Cc: "wireless@lists.bawug.org" > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] WiGLE / JiGLE > > Bob Hagemann writes: > > A friend and I have been working on a website / Java client for doing > > wireless station collection and mapping. We call it WiGLE for Wireless > > Geographic Logging Engine. The Java client has been dubbed JiGLE. We are > > currently focusing on the Chicago area, but the online portion is > > location agnostic and the client can have new maps and coordinates > > dropped in easily. > > > > For a screen shot of the current client, which can read as well as add > > to the online database, check out: > > > > http://wigle.net/gpsopen/gps/GPSDB/map/ > > > > Up until now we've been using mapquest maps, but those carry copyright > > and other restrictions. We wondered what options there are for free, > > unrestricted maps (at the street level) that we can dump into the client. > > Here's the program I use with pygps. It hands you a map, and a world > file. You have to give it the terraserver parameters from the URL. > With a little bit of work, you could have it search for a latitude and > longitude. > > #!/usr/bin/python > > import os, re, sys > > s = 12 > t = 2 > w = 2 > x = 688 > y = 5151 > z = 17 > > if len(sys.argv) == 4: > x = sys.argv [1] > y = sys.argv [2] > z = sys.argv [3] > if len(sys.argv) == 7: > x = sys.argv [1] > y = sys.argv [2] > z = sys.argv [3] > s = sys.argv [4] > t = sys.argv [5] > w = sys.argv [6] > > place = "X=%s&Y=%s&Z=%s&S=%s&T=%s&W=%s" % (x,y,z,s,t,w) > entry = os.popen("wget -O - 'http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/USGSDownload.asp?" + place + "'", "r") > > while 1: > eline = entry.readline() > if not eline: break > found = re.search(r'"(USGSWorldFile.asp.*?)"', eline) > if found: > os.system("wget -O '" + place + "w' 'http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/" + found.group(1) + "'") > found = re.search(r'"(http://.*?/download.ashx.*?)"', eline) > if found: > os.system("wget -O '" + place + "i' '" + found.group(1) + "'") > > -- > -russ nelson http://russnelson.com > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | It's a crime, not an act > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | of war. For my take, see: > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | http://quaker.org/crime.html > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 3 11:25:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm thinking either IPSec (Freeswan), or CIPE between access points for encryption. Freeswan would probably be best because it will work with other IPSec implementations. With CIPE, I think you are stuck connecting to only other CIPE boxes. As for routing, we can run OSPF on each node and broadcast a default route in from each internet connection point. Anyone on the network will be routed out the closest internet connection. However, BGP would be the way to go. We don't need to broadcast any routes, just pull them down from a router just outside each internet connection. Most use authentication, however, MANY also have public snmp communities, and you can pull the table via snmp, however, getting it into your local routing table might be a problem. Initially, OSPF and injecting default routes is probably the best solution. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: natecars@real-time.com [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:05 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I still have to do a writeup on what me and some friends > had figured > > out. It takes advantage of multiple connections to the > internet so you > > go out the closest available connection, and implements > security other > > than WEP since WEP is fairly hopelessly broken. > > What routing protocols, etc? I haven't figured out a good way > to get Linux do to that without a BGP feed yet. :) > > IPSec tunnel, I hope? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 11:58:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF6E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm thinking either IPSec (Freeswan), or CIPE between access points for > encryption. Freeswan would probably be best because it will work with other > IPSec implementations. With CIPE, I think you are stuck connecting to only > other CIPE boxes. Thing I like about Freeswan is that you can also set up Windows boxes to authenticate against it. One of our clients is going to be doing a 2mi wireless link between two buildings, running an IPSec gateway on each end doing encryption over the link.. they may also end up wanting wireless clients within the building(s), if they do, it'll be simple to generate a X.509 cert for each of the clients, and have them authenticate to the freeswan box before they get anywhere. :) I guess you havne't actually implemented any of this yet? It sounded like you had. :( > As for routing, we can run OSPF on each node and broadcast a default route > in from each internet connection point. Anyone on the network will be > routed out the closest internet connection. However, BGP would be the way > to go. We don't need to broadcast any routes, just pull them down from a > router just outside each internet connection. Most use authentication, > however, MANY also have public snmp communities, and you can pull the table > via snmp, however, getting it into your local routing table might be a > problem. Initially, OSPF and injecting default routes is probably the best > solution. You happen to have any links to OSPF under Linux (Zebra, or something else?)? Never played with it.. haven't actually really searched OSPF all that much, should do that one of these days. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 12:26:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: cisco e-seminar on 802.11b] Message-ID: May be interesting to tune into. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:39:31 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: "isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com" To: "isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com" Subject: cisco e-seminar on 802.11b For those who are interested in 802.11b security(dynamic WEP), or Cisco Equipment.. I've tuned into these e-seminars before, and they aren't bad - if you don't mind the sales pitch... Usually there is some good info. This one is scheduled for oct 24. Contents: Understand technical capabilities of WLAN in the enterprise environment. Learn the technical side about Cisco's Aironet 350 Series features and services. Discuss how Cisco's WLAN can provide reliable connectivity without compromising performance. Discuss the technical details of Cisco's 350 security solution, and where the IEEE is at with the security standard for WLANs. Understand the current WLAN product technology, and how it compares to future WLAN technology developments in the industry. https://www.regweb.com/reg.cfm?regwebID=2152 Ken Anderson Pacific.Net ___________  The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List  ___________ To Join: mailto:join-isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com To Remove: mailto:remove-isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 3 15:44:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF77@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.mrtd.net seems to have a very robust routing daemon for linux (even does BGP). Implementing OSPF with it looks fairly straightforward also. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:58 AM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Article on building a wireless freenet > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm thinking either IPSec (Freeswan), or CIPE between access points > > for encryption. Freeswan would probably be best because it > will work > > with other IPSec implementations. With CIPE, I think you are stuck > > connecting to only other CIPE boxes. > > Thing I like about Freeswan is that you can also set up > Windows boxes to authenticate against it. > > One of our clients is going to be doing a 2mi wireless link > between two buildings, running an IPSec gateway on each end > doing encryption over the link.. they may also end up wanting > wireless clients within the building(s), if they do, it'll be > simple to generate a X.509 cert for each of the clients, and > have them authenticate to the freeswan box before they get > anywhere. :) > > I guess you havne't actually implemented any of this yet? It > sounded like you had. :( > > > As for routing, we can run OSPF on each node and broadcast > a default > > route in from each internet connection point. Anyone on > the network > > will be routed out the closest internet connection. However, BGP > > would be the way to go. We don't need to broadcast any > routes, just > > pull them down from a router just outside each internet > connection. > > Most use authentication, however, MANY also have public snmp > > communities, and you can pull the table via snmp, however, > getting it > > into your local routing table might be a problem. > Initially, OSPF and > > injecting default routes is probably the best solution. > > You happen to have any links to OSPF under Linux (Zebra, or > something else?)? Never played with it.. haven't actually > really searched OSPF all that much, should do that one of > these days. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 11:57:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 24dBi Parabolic Grid Antennas Message-ID: Anyone interested in a couple 24dBi Parabolic Grid antennas? I've got a lead on 5 of 'em (brand new), might be able to get 'em real cheap (around $50-$75/ea).. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 15:52:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linksys WAP11 Message-ID: Well, my pair 'o WAP11 came in today. I love these things! Still waiting on my Female RP-TNC -> N Male cable (Friday!) so I can have real fun.. but these rule! Got a test box set up now, so I can play with wireless.. eth0 is public, eth1 is the private wireless network. Got iptables set up so that only DNS, DHCP, and IPSec are allowed through eth1. Then, set up masquerading so the box will masquerade clients connected via a IPSec tunnel. So, set up win2k to use ipsec for 0/0, ping an address, ipsec link comes up, and surf away, 100% encrypted! I love this stuff! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:43:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! Message-ID: http://www.topozone.com/factory/specifications.asp#basic $80/yr for what we'd need, I think.. looks cool! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 4 17:45:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:41:00PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011005004510.F52660@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:41:00PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > http://www.topozone.com/factory/specifications.asp#basic > > $80/yr for what we'd need, I think.. looks cool! So how do we chip in? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:46:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: <20011005004510.F52660@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 12:45:10AM +0200 References: <20011005004510.F52660@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:41:00PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > > http://www.topozone.com/factory/specifications.asp#basic > > > > $80/yr for what we'd need, I think.. looks cool! > > So how do we chip in? > Look at the Delomre software in my office first. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 4 17:48:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:45:26PM -0500 References: <20011005004510.F52660@io.stderr.net> <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011005004751.G52660@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:45:26PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:41:00PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > http://www.topozone.com/factory/specifications.asp#basic > > > > > > $80/yr for what we'd need, I think.. looks cool! > > > > So how do we chip in? > > > > Look at the Delomre software in my office first. Something you're point the webcam at so we can see it ? :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:49:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: <20011005004751.G52660@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 12:47:51AM +0200 References: <20011005004510.F52660@io.stderr.net> <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com> <20011005004751.G52660@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011004174838.J20730@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > Something you're point the webcam at so we can see it ? :-) > I believe it has a publish to html feature. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:51:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Look at the Delomre software in my office first. OK. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:56:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: <20011004174526.I20730@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Look at the Delomre software in my office first. Sheesh! 7 cd's! All of the midwest is on one though :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 21:40:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cool! Online topo maps! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Sheesh! 7 cd's! > > All of the midwest is on one though :) Yeah, this will certainly do what we need. Not extremely detailed on side streets, but enough to figure out where stuff is. I'll try to post a couple maps tommorrow for the fun of it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Sun Oct 7 13:02:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 24dBi Parabolic Grid Antennas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone interested in a couple 24dBi Parabolic Grid antennas? > > I've got a lead on 5 of 'em (brand new), might be able to get 'em real > cheap (around $50-$75/ea).. I let them go since I didn't hear from anyone.. could've done 'em for $55/ea.. ah well. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 09:57:13 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFA1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.electic.com/cgi-bin/news/News/Stories/2001/10/08/10025530011.shtm l We should look into this more. It's 54Mbps in 802.11a mode, but Proxim has a 2x mode which does 100Mbps on it. I wonder what kind of range we can get out of them. Of course, we'd probably need completely different antennas since this is 5Ghz instead of 2.4. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 11:05:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFA1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://www.electic.com/cgi-bin/news/News/Stories/2001/10/08/10025530011.shtm > l > > We should look into this more. It's 54Mbps in 802.11a mode, but Proxim has > a 2x mode which does 100Mbps on it. I wonder what kind of range we can get > out of them. Of course, we'd probably need completely different antennas > since this is 5Ghz instead of 2.4. Yup. They sell 5ghz antennas. I know there's been a debate on isp-wireless if 802.11a should be deployed outdoors or indoors only.. not exactly sure why; haven't had time to keep up with the thread. It's on my to-research list. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 14:33:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Used 2.4ghz Omni's? Message-ID: Anyone got a source for used omni's; 8dBi gain or higher? Really don't want to spend $175 on a omni just to play with.. but I will if I hafta. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 14:45:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFA1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:50:50AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFA1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011009143540.P26659@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > We should look into this more. It's 54Mbps in 802.11a mode, but Proxim has > a 2x mode which does 100Mbps on it. I wonder what kind of range we can get > out of them. Of course, we'd probably need completely different antennas > since this is 5Ghz instead of 2.4. The gear is expensive. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 14:54:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> $249 for a card isn't bad. It's double the price of an Orinoco, but at least 5 times the speed. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:36 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > We should look into this more. It's 54Mbps in 802.11a mode, but > > Proxim has a 2x mode which does 100Mbps on it. I wonder > what kind of > > range we can get out of them. Of course, we'd probably need > > completely different antennas since this is 5Ghz instead of 2.4. > > The gear is expensive. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 15:00:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Antennas run from $415 for a 22db to $1695 for a 34db from ingenious-nets.com. Worth the money for backbone connections. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:51 PM > To: 'tcwug-list@tcwug.org' > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless > > > $249 for a card isn't bad. It's double the price of an > Orinoco, but at least 5 times the speed. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:36 PM > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless > > > > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > We should look into this more. It's 54Mbps in 802.11a mode, but > > > Proxim has a 2x mode which does 100Mbps on it. I wonder > > what kind of > > > range we can get out of them. Of course, we'd probably need > > > completely different antennas since this is 5Ghz instead of 2.4. > > > > The gear is expensive. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 15:09:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:51:07PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011009150835.Y26659@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > $249 for a card isn't bad. It's double the price of an Orinoco, but at > least 5 times the speed. Look at the antennas, cables and APs. I was looking at the Western Muliplex gear and it -starts- at $20K. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 15:14:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > $249 for a card isn't bad. It's double the price of an Orinoco, but at > least 5 times the speed. I've seen cards down to $149/ea.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 15:15:25 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless In-Reply-To: <20011009150835.Y26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Look at the antennas, cables and APs. I was looking at the Western Muliplex gear > and it -starts- at $20K. IIRC Western Multiplex isn't 802.11a, they are something else.. You can use standard LMR-400 for 5ghz no problem; loss is higher, but you just have to keep your cable runs short. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 15:21:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> That stuff doesn't look like 802.11a. Check the pricing at ingenious-nets.com, it's considerably less than that. Plus, you can make an AP with a card and a linux box. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:09 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] 802.11a 100Mbps wireless > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > $249 for a card isn't bad. It's double the price of an > Orinoco, but > > at least 5 times the speed. > > > Look at the antennas, cables and APs. I was looking at the > Western Muliplex gear > and it -starts- at $20K. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 16:56:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: 100mbps 802.11a products -- group test?] Message-ID: Anyone wanna take a bite out of this? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:53:38 -0700 From: "Casey Halverson (InfoSpace Inc)" Reply-To: "dev@seattlewireless.net" To: "'dev@seattlewireless.net'" Subject: 100mbps 802.11a products -- group test? Hi everyone ... Proxim has their 108 mbps radios available for testing purposes. The kit of two cards list for $449 (@ $224 each) and the PCMCIA card is $249. I was wondering if anyone with a laptop would be willing to purchase one, perhaps sometime this week. I am going to pick up one of these as well -- but i really need someone to connect to :-) Anyway, im going to fill out the form and see if i can chat with the sales guy -- perhaps i could weasel a "pathetic wireless hacker" discount or at least receive a group-buy discount. Let me know who's interested. http://www.proxim.com/80211ademo/ Casey Halverson, KC7IBT Network Engineer Infospace Inc. 425-201-8604 From MPatchen at chaska.net Wed Oct 10 08:35:55 2001 From: MPatchen at chaska.net (Mike Patchen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: 100mbps 802.11a products -- group test?] Message-ID: We are looking into the demo kit from Proxim (I assume this is the testing kit that Casey referenced). Mike Patchen IT Technician City Of Chaska 952-448-2851 x293 mpatchen@chaska.net >>> Nate Carlson 10/09/01 04:55PM >>> Anyone wanna take a bite out of this? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:53:38 -0700 From: "Casey Halverson (InfoSpace Inc)" Reply-To: "dev@seattlewireless.net" To: "'dev@seattlewireless.net'" Subject: 100mbps 802.11a products -- group test? Hi everyone ... Proxim has their 108 mbps radios available for testing purposes. Casey Halverson, KC7IBT Network Engineer Infospace Inc. 425-201-8604 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 08:46:14 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: 100mbps 802.11a products -- group test?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Mike Patchen wrote: > We are looking into the demo kit from Proxim (I assume this is the > testing kit that Casey referenced). Yeah, it's the kit for 802.11a which you can test for free until 30 days after they get their FCC license for the equipment. Hard part is no external antenna jacks yet, and low output power, so great test for indoors, but poor test for outdoors.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 12:00:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: Re: [nycwireless] MobileStar - Fucked Company Rumor] Message-ID: MobileStar's dead. They are the company that does wireless service at StarBuck's. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:47:36 -0500 From: Jim Thompson To: "terry@nycwireless.net" Cc: "nycwireless@lists.spack.org" , "wireless@lists.bawug.org" , "wireless@lists.devzero.org" , "pud@fuckedcompany.com" Subject: Re: [nycwireless] MobileStar - Fucked Company Rumor Its true, they shut the doors, and laid everyone off yesterday. I confirmed the rumor around 9am this morning by calling Kliesner's former "executive" assistant vis cell phone. Jim > From: www.fuckedcompany.com > > Shooting star > Rumor has it wireless broadband company MobileStar laid everyone off today. > Apparently the Nextel (to buy them) deal fell through. No severance, no > nothing. Apparently these were the people wiring all the Starbucks with > wireless Internet where you could just come in with your laptop and be > online. Actually a cool idea... (in fact, i'm using a Linksys wireless card > to write this right now in the bathroom as i am taking a dump. it's true!) > When: 10/10/2001 > Company: MobileStar > Severity: 100 - new hall of fame inductee! > Points: 200 > 9 comments in the Happy Fun Slander Corner! > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > -- C++ is like jamming a helicopter inside a Miata and expecting some sort of improvement. -- Drew Olbrich -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 19:02:14 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] are we back? Message-ID: are we back? please-oh-please? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at conflict.autonomous.tv Thu Oct 18 20:24:52 2001 From: spencer at conflict.autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] the lists Message-ID: <20011018192531.A14761@conflict.autonomous.tv> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: >> Bob, sure you know about this, but the tcwug list is still down. >> Thanks for all your hard work. >> double that, thanks for the time/effort/resources for the lists! I am getting mail from both wug and lug. As far as the link goes, we need to get cracking on wireless WAN. I really need to be able to go anywhere in my hood and be connected. Really I do. -- SpencerUnderground From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 17:41:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] My antenna's finally here. Message-ID: Well, today's a big day for my wireless world. All the parts that I needed to build the 48 vdc -> 5 vdc PoE adapter finally came, and so did my 8dBi omni. Yay! Of course, I'm busy at work, and busy tonight, so won't get to play with this stuff for a while. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 17:45:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Antennas Message-ID: Check out: http://www.dbiplus.com These guys are very interested in working with wireless user's groups to provide antennas. The guy I talked to said they would indeed be interested in doing low quantities to WUG's. Anyone interested in any of the antennas on that page? Once I get a list of a couple antennas we'd like, I can get pricing. I'll probably pick up two of the 25dBi dishes, a yagi, and a 13dBi patch.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500